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just have to chime in here about the rods. I donnot understand where everone is coming from bashing tfo, they make a great rod, for the money. that seems to be what your forgetting, it is only for the money. I have had great success with there rods but you must understand what you are dealing with, they are mostly fast and made for bigger flies. there finesse series is not underrated by the way. Reddington is another asian manufactured rod that is again great for the money. now believe me if I had the money I would own much nicer rods, the helios and the z-axis and ZXL are a riot to cast and fish with, the winstons I have fished are great to, but you are looking at the price. you pay for a beater car dont expect it to run well, you pay for a mid range it will work fine, you pay for a sports car it gets you there with ease and style. in the right hands any rod once you get over the $100 mark will do whatever you need, nicer ones do it with less effort.
lines by the way, I like rio gold or the triangle for trout, rio clouser for big stuff and sharkskin is great if you dont mind the noise. look through the SA and RIO lines and find the line that fits what your looking for.
 
Hey Joe if your a good brother from now til Christmas maybe I'll buy you a fancy pants fly rod to go with your shiny USA made reel. Whaddya say G Loomis, St Croix??....what's another 500.00. I have 100K wrapped up in my walleye fishing boat and gear. LOL. :B

Then maybe you can roll with the big dogs with there expensive rods and reels.

I have almost 3000 posts and this is my very first one in this forum....weird I think I've only picked up a fly rod twice in my life....once to move my bro's fly rod to get to my jiggin st croix. LOL. The other time I attempted to cast but I failed miserably.
 
What are doing on this side of the fence young man..... hop back over to where you pro snobs belong......LOL ...do bra noc!


Joey.... we talked about this a few times... and here is the best scenerio.. lets just save up .. or place 1st at Hawgfest and go straight to Erie Outfitters and get out St. Croix or G lommis rods right after!!!

Go Browns!

Frank
 
Thanks for the visit bro.
Yes Frank that would be great.

I just came in this thread looking for some info about fly fishing. I'm trying to read and practice as much as I can about the sport and about products.
I guess I will just choose what I read carefully from now on.
 
What are your opinions on Echo Rods then?
I've only cast one Echo rod since I'm not remotely interested in anything they sell. It was the 6'6" 3wt, and I wasn't impressed with it at all. The reel seat on the rod is too large and clunky to be on a 3wt, and I didn't like how it cast either.
As for TFO, They are heavy for graphite, overly stiff, and overpriced. I can remember when a rod made in S. Korea cost well under a hundred dollars. That wasn't all that long ago either. When TFO came about, that all changed really. They have killed off the low end American rods. For instance the Orvis Clearwaters are now made in China. I know because I saw a Made in China sticker on one at the local fly shop.
You can figure that a TFO rod costs twice as much as a S.Korean rod with no unconditional lifetime warranty. Not worth it in my book.

I no longer buy factory rods, I build all my own rods. I can save quite a bit of money this way and have a rod that is just as nice or even nicer than a factory rod.
I'm not advocating that everyone has to have the most expensive Sage, Loomis, Scott, etc. in order to be a fly fisherman. All I'm saying is that American made rods are superior to anything that comes out of Asia.
I happen to like glass rods much more than graphite, and I can buy Lamiglas E-glass blanks in the $64-$100 dollar range, and they are made here in the U.S.A. My Lamiglas 7' 3wt cost me $165.00 to build, thats not bad, and I didn't use cheap components either. It's 10 times better than any Asian 3wt I've ever cast, and it cost me less than a junk TFO Finesse.

J.
 
hmm..have an older St Croix. premier 5wt. made in USA not sure when it switched overseas but regardgless it is a nice rod to cast. Have such a mess of rods now I don't really pay attention to where they are coming from. But all the glass I fish is older and from the states and I do fish those most. Also old Akron made Plueger medalist 1494 and 95 are tops to me on any rod....

As far as line. I like Cortland 333 and Air Cel DT lines just got used to what to expect with them and they are a good value.

Above all ...have fun,
Janus
 
I have casted many a rod in my 25+ years of flyfishing and have seen, from opinion, good and bad. Yes I have casted a helios!
Now, if you would have stopped at asking the question of which was the best 9-foot 5-weight, I probably would have never commented since it is a matter of opinion. But some of you didn't. Instead of wanting to help someone who wanted advice on something they "can afford" (We are not talking about the others who make "big money and can afford to exchange out for top-of-the line equipment), you wanted to brag. And while you are great at product name dropping and I am sure that you have memorized the pamphlet that came with your rod as well as advertisements, the intent was to answer a question on rod performance. I never claimed to be a great caster (in fact I am very unorthodox) I never have to. I fish for un and if I get my intended purpose be it with a $20 cherrywood rod or a $1400 can rod then I have acomplished my purpose. There is a bit of old logic that says if you are a good caster you can cast with a broomstick if that is true then perhaps I fit the description.
God often helps me do what seems to be the impossible, I hold the rod but he does the rest, to him I give all the glory.




For what it's worth here is a "blind test" conducted on the internet

"Just yesterday, I conducted a test cast "party" with seven experienced fly fishers including the manager of the local fly shop. In a semi-blind test, one of my goals was to see if there was a correlation between the cost of a blank and how this group rated it as a casting/ fish catching tool. The 14 rods used were made from blanks varying widely in graphite make up and so price. Virtually ALL the casters liked ALL the lower cost and more moderate action models. Only two of the group also liked the faster actions of the higher modulus more expensive two piece blanks. These two individuals were also the two with the most diverse fishing experiences while the others who's fishing is more limited (in this case to smaller trout waters) only warmed up to the more costly blanks if in a multi-piece configuration."

And another;

"I have in front of me an American magazine which ran a blind test on 58 four-piece 5 weight rods. Tests were on casting performance, including distance and accuracy, and the testers were beginner, intermediate and advanced casters. The one rod to come in the top 15 in each of the 20 categories was a $200 St Croix. Not far behind it was an $80 Cabela's Stowaway."

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Excellent post and reply Fishing pole.....


some time we all get wrapped up in non sonses and forget what this is all really about...

Thank you for the perspective as well as your blind test results...

Frank
 
I want to clear up any misunderstandings of my posts...
1) I am a big fan of Scientific Anglers & RIO fly lines....they both make lines at various price points. You can spend $60.00 or buy an economy line from either, but you can trust their lines to be great quality at the price point.
2) At the 2006 FAOL Michigan Fish-In which I helped start, I watched FAOL owner JC cast the entire fly line...that's 90' & he looked effortless. What he used was a $79.95 Scientific Anglers COMBO he bought at WalMart! I can't come close to casting like that with rods that cost a lot more. He proved to many that day that it's not necessarily the ROD that makes the caster, but the CASTER who makes the rod perform.
Buy what you can afford & enjoy the ride!
Mike
 
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