ive read and herd tons of different things but im hoping people on here can help sort this out. some of my friends swear on trolling a dipsy that matches or close to matching the crank or harness there running couple other people i fished with/ talked to only fish with black. ive caught fish on every dipsy i own no matter the color it more so depended on the harness or crank color and speed in my opinion. but im new so u long time guys what do you think
jjpugh
I personaly prefer the dark colors...black or dark purple. I'm not trying to attract the fish to my dipsy... I want it to focus in on my bait. But I believe the most important thing is to run long leaders 10-14ft in length.
We use only black. Years back we tried to match the lure. The crutial thing is stay away from the metalic colors in clear water, unless your fishing deeper than 50'.
Leader length, depends on where your at. In the islands most run 6', east of Cleveland 8', then the further east you go the longer the leaders.... up to Snooks 14'ers (which are a pain in any sort of wind).
Leader length, depends on where your at. In the islands most run 6', east of Cleveland 8', then the further east you go the longer the leaders.... up to Snooks 14'ers (which are a pain in any sort of wind).
Either buy or paint your dipsy's black. Same thing with the true trips, I use their smoke color.
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I run all sorts of colors. Bright dark, u like the bright because my theara is the light reflects off dipsy hits my crank, spoon, or harness , equals fish in the boat. Been doing it for years. Still catch fish. No complaints. I believe it goes by preference of the fisherman. I haven't had a fish complain to me yet. Just my 2 cents.
I agree with Jim. I run strictly black. How much money do you want to spend on different colors of dipsies? Since I run 8 dipsies, would I have to own 8 X all the various colors out there? I let the fish focus on the harness behind the dipsy. Not to put anyone down dnav, but I've caught more than 53 walleyes in just the last two trips alone. Maybe you might be limiting yourself by running the shiney ones?
I don't know for sure if one color is better than the other. but it does seem like my luck has been better since I started using green metallic with my green harnesses and purple metallic with my purple harnesses. but I have caught many fish with these color divers with many color harnesses. and I have done good with plain old black divers. so I think it is more what you have confidence in. and I will keep running my greens with green metallic divers and my purples with purple metallic divers. I just have more confidence in them but that's still just my opinion. and I seem to catch just as many fish with a 6' leader over say a 12' leader. I think the color of the harness and speed plays an important role I what you catch.
sherman
sherman
I've seen a lot of debates over this both among walleye and salmon fishermen. Some people find that a particular color scheme, whether light or dark, consistently put more fish in the boat. Some find no color schemes work better than others.
I have a variety of dipseys, and generally choose the dark ones when I run dark baits, and light ones when I run bright baits. But I don't know that it makes any difference. Generally though I am running my dipseys deep, 50'+ down.
The way I figure it color probably doesn't matter to much, even for big eyed fish like walleye. Dipseys are "loud" to a fishes lateral line relative to other presentations. They make a lot of turbulence and the fish are either going to be spooked by that turbulence or have their predator response triggered, at least that's my guess.
I have a variety of dipseys, and generally choose the dark ones when I run dark baits, and light ones when I run bright baits. But I don't know that it makes any difference. Generally though I am running my dipseys deep, 50'+ down.
The way I figure it color probably doesn't matter to much, even for big eyed fish like walleye. Dipseys are "loud" to a fishes lateral line relative to other presentations. They make a lot of turbulence and the fish are either going to be spooked by that turbulence or have their predator response triggered, at least that's my guess.
Its just like lure colors.....keep switching colors till you get a hit then go with it.
Don't know why there is a debate. Its different every trip. Do you think salmon guys only run one kind.....I don't think so......they are there to attract as well as dive.
Just like lures carry multiple colors.
Don't know why there is a debate. Its different every trip. Do you think salmon guys only run one kind.....I don't think so......they are there to attract as well as dive.
Just like lures carry multiple colors.
I run all black , no need for flash at the diver .
Geneva and east long leaders are a must in the clear water .i run 10~12 foot leaders . Sure 6 foot leaders will work but 12's will get the job done with much more fish for your crew !
Geneva and east long leaders are a must in the clear water .i run 10~12 foot leaders . Sure 6 foot leaders will work but 12's will get the job done with much more fish for your crew !
I fish almost all the time in West end. i use whatever color I have. Some buddies use various colors, same as lure, some use only flashy ones and some use only Black (It's almost religion for the ones who only use black), and I haven't seen any difference. Some days one boat catches the most, then someone else and occasionally even I catch the most ;-) I don't think it makes a lot of difference. Oh, not to put anyone down workdog but last 2 times out we caught more than 75 eyes and I don't think that means a thing.
No offense at all Bob. I was merely talking about sample size upon which basing a theory. I probably didn't say it in the most carefully worded language, and for that I am sorry. Use whatever you feel comfortable with. But, if ya run a consistent color you don't need to buy as many.
I have been fishing Erie for about 5 years and paying attention here about the same and if Workdog says black dipseys here out east,Geneva to Conny then black it is,I would bet there are very few fishermen who have caught more walleyes on dipseys than Jeff.Him and his crew have few equals when it comes to dipsey diver fishing out east.No disrespect to anyone else but he can fill the boat with anyone when it comes to a dipsey bite.
last week i ran 2 black divers and 4 shinny that matched my harness we caught 15 in about 5hrs losing 3.this weekend i ran the complete opposite we caught 17 with 9 lost. in the same spot. but the weather was totally different and so was our troll due to waves i got more experimenting to do
Well, you've got Jim Stedke who a lot of people on here have great respect for saying black. You've got WorkDog who puts tons of fish in the box saying black...that's good enough for me
. But your comparing two different outings with completely different lake conditions during one of the best walleye fishing many of us have experienced in years. Where I think you'll see the difference is on the calm days where the lake is clear. The black dipsy will out perform over time...Sent from my DROID RAZR using Ohub Campfire mobile app
I haven't pulled a dipsy in 5 years or so. But when I did, I used the clear ones most of the time. Didn't have black paint so I painted others rustoleum grey. They worked as well.
Listen here Miss,Well, you've got Jim Stedke who a lot of people on here have great respect for saying black. You've got WorkDog who puts tons of fish in the box saying black...that's good enough for me
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Taking myself out of the equation for a minute :C , let me see if I can explain what I failed at so miserably the first time (hopefully third time is a charm).
We've had a good back and forth here, on dipsy color philosophy, between several folks who have some time pulling dipsies/jets/trips. Some have found that bright colors work for them, and that is great! Good on ya! Continue to use what works for you. However, many who have viewed this thread are probably new to dipsies and looking for help to put together a dipsy program...maybe for the first time. So, to them I would say...over the long run...I have observed the following:1) Most walleye tournament guys/gals enter tournaments to win.
2) Most walleye charter guys/gals run charters to catch fish for their customers.
3) Most tournament and charter folks don't stay in business long if they don't catch fish.
4) Most walleye pros and charters that I have observed who use dipsies use BLACK dipsies.
5) Will brightly colored dipsies catch fish? Yep. But, over the long run, considering the above to be accurate statements, black dipsies will win out over the bright ones.
So, for a new fisherperson to dipsies, to save time, expense and confusion in getting set up, I would recommend black dipsies.
There, how'd I do this time???
Considering were agreeing with one another, I run black dipsy and TT's, and suggested to Josh (op) to run black, I didn't have any problems with your first postListen here Miss,
Taking myself out of the equation for a minute :C , let me see if I can explain what I failed at so miserably the first time (hopefully third time is a charm).
1) Most walleye tournament guys/gals enter tournaments to win.
2) Most walleye charter guys/gals run charters to catch fish for their customers.
3) Most tournament and charter folks don't stay in business long if they don't catch fish.
4) Most walleye pros and charters that I have observed who use dipsies use BLACK dipsies.
5) Will brightly colored dipsies catch fish? Yep. But, over the long run, considering the above to be accurate statements, black dipsies will win out over the bright ones.
So, for a new fisherperson to dipsies, to save time, expense and confusion in getting set up, I would recommend black dipsies.
There, how'd I do this time???
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a true work of art workdog. you put it out there where anyone can understand that the pro,s use black and for good reason.Listen here Miss,
Taking myself out of the equation for a minute :C , let me see if I can explain what I failed at so miserably the first time (hopefully third time is a charm).
1) Most walleye tournament guys/gals enter tournaments to win.
2) Most walleye charter guys/gals run charters to catch fish for their customers.
3) Most tournament and charter folks don't stay in business long if they don't catch fish.
4) Most walleye pros and charters that I have observed who use dipsies use BLACK dipsies.
5) Will brightly colored dipsies catch fish? Yep. But, over the long run, considering the above to be accurate statements, black dipsies will win out over the bright ones.
So, for a new fisherperson to dipsies, to save time, expense and confusion in getting set up, I would recommend black dipsies.
There, how'd I do this time???
even tho I use metallic divers I would say that you cant go wrong starting out with black. then later if you want to try something different feel free to try any color you want to.
there is going to be days when the neutral color black is just going to out produce the bright colors. but there is people like me who has had good luck most days that we get to fish with our bright colors and its just hard to change what works for us. and to be honest I started with bright colors then when I went to the lite bite slide diver I changed to all black. then later I switched to the metallic ones and have been very happy. but there is times i'll still run a couple of black ones.
sherman
I'm with ya. I just didn't want to imply that I am an expert by any means (I'm sure my total take this year is under 2 tons so far).Considering were agreeing with one another, I run black dipsy and TT's, and suggested to Josh (op) to run black, I didn't have any problems with your first post
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Sherman and maybe others. The point that you are failing to see is that just because your metallic divers are catching you SOME fish doesn't mean your program is working to maximum capacity, if you caught 6 fish on one pass with your bright colors you probably could have caught 8 or 12 with black divers.
One thing to keep in mind is that if another boat is catching a limit every time out and in 1/4 of the time it's taking you, you are doing something wrong, it's not luck, there program is better than yours, the diver color, length of leader, bead and blade colors and speed are all subject to change.
Just because you caught a few fish doesn't mean you are dialed in. There is a reason why Blue Dolphin (and others) pulls 36 fish by 10 or 11 every single day he's on the water, his program is dialed into perfection (and they are on fish). Everything matters in the equation of 'program' why wouldn't you do everything you can to maximize your time on the water to boat more fish...even if that means putting your shiny chrome diver away in lieu of a black one.
BTW- I never leave the dock without kelly green
One thing to keep in mind is that if another boat is catching a limit every time out and in 1/4 of the time it's taking you, you are doing something wrong, it's not luck, there program is better than yours, the diver color, length of leader, bead and blade colors and speed are all subject to change.
Just because you caught a few fish doesn't mean you are dialed in. There is a reason why Blue Dolphin (and others) pulls 36 fish by 10 or 11 every single day he's on the water, his program is dialed into perfection (and they are on fish). Everything matters in the equation of 'program' why wouldn't you do everything you can to maximize your time on the water to boat more fish...even if that means putting your shiny chrome diver away in lieu of a black one.
BTW- I never leave the dock without kelly green
Kgone, I can remember Thumpers rods with all flat green divers hangin on the rods. I'm talkin Ron Johnson "thumper" not the new thumper.
But I believe that was before the blacks were available.
But I believe that was before the blacks were available.
Kgone,very well said....Listen to the guys that get loads of fish in a short time!!!There is no magic lure,color etc...it's all those little things they do,black for dipsey,10' plus leader,fluro leader,etc,etc and a bunch of other things,they stay consistent in what they do and they consistently catch fish.When those top guys give tips listen,listen, and listen some more.
Ya what kevin said. I can tell you and I preach this in every seminar I do I've ran the experiment s witn metallics and other colors black dipseys outfish 5/1 minimum. Take it for what its worth. Someones gotta buy the other colors anyway lol. All in good fun. BD
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