Hmmm i hope you have fun fishing a creek that is not stocked by the ODNR, and has alot of issues with public access drawing more attention to it is a great idea. O please when you return for your expedition please post gps coordinates of exactly where you stood in the creek. Post lots of pictures of the holes so they will be destroyed by the next time you return, and that will increase the trash ppl leave behind. Sorry for the rant, and PLEASE dont take it personally. Look on the thread count to see how many ppl looked at this thread but did not respond to it. We call these people lurkers!

 

After how many posts of why not to post these rivers people still do not understand. Wait until everything is posted or until Ohio looks like PA or NY.

The river is 95% private.

 

Come on give the kid a break, he was telling others to say hi if they see him. Maybe he dosn't understand send him a pm asking not to mention non stocked rivers...

 

I think 99% of people in this forum know there's fish in this river (he didn't even use the full name, so if they didn't know about it, they might not know what he was talking about). I've never been there, but you getting so pissy about it piqued my interest about the river a lot more than his post did.

 

Man people never learn.

 

You guys are a bunch of little whiny girls.

 

You guys are a bunch of little whiny girls.

So I suppose you wouldn't mind posting your favorite spots for us all to see? And when I'm standing in your favorite hole, you won't mind a bit? I'm gonna tell you something...the internet has done nothing but overpopulate every public access spot there ever was. Someone could be on fish and never speak of it and the wrong person finds out, blabs it online, and the next thing you know, you're shoulder to shoulder with someone on your spot. I don't blame anyone for getting pissed if someone leaks info on something that isn't very well known. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to try and not have someone ruin my hunt on public land this evening, like they have everytime I've been out this year.

 

You guys are a bunch of little whiny girls.

I agree 100%.

Boo hoo.........I don't want other people to ruin my public fishing spot. Public rivers are gonna get fished by others. It happes to your favorite non-stocked trib, it happens to my favorite smally water, and it happens to the ole Maumee during the walleye run. Get over it.

CG

 

PM is a good idea. I have had people ask me about specific spots and I don't mind sharing. Besides. there's plenty of water to fish and if your "secret spot" gets public, tighten up your waders and look for another one...that's half the challenge.

And Merry Christmas....fishing isn't life or death.

Dock Time

 

Hmmm i hope you have fun fishing a creek that is not stocked by the ODNR, and has alot of issues with public access drawing more attention to it is a great idea. O please when you return for your expedition please post gps coordinates of exactly where you stood in the creek. Post lots of pictures of the holes so they will be destroyed by the next time you return, and that will increase the trash ppl leave behind. Sorry for the rant, and PLEASE dont take it personally. Look on the thread count to see how many ppl looked at this thread but did not respond to it. We call these people lurkers!

Do u ever stop! Just PM him if u have a problem, or do u like to draw attention towards this subject, Because it seems everytime this happens your the one that sarted it,. U have made a big deal about something that would have just blown over.

 

No, I will never stop.

Have a great holiday, and a safe New Year.

 

Look at their site and download the map.

 

He never said what spot, he said his spot which can be anything. I cant believe grown men cry and bitch and complain online about someone else over and over. Its public, its not yours. Cry yourself a river and fish it all by yourself.

 

VERY well said Hollandbass, your my new OGF hero. Someone mentions "my spot" on a large public waterway and people act like a marked-up river map was posted. I fish where I can when I can and it makes me sick when I hit a new spot, that I may have located totally on my own, and I run in to a MORON that thinks he OWNS a 1/4 mile stretch of river. I always am considerate when entering an area to stay WAY off anyone already there. More than once I've been first to a spot only to have a guy, once a guy and his wife, wade right into my back pocket then "kindly" fill me in on how "this is my honey hole, I fish here every day." Well thats fine, but today you better watch the hell out for my back casts cause I'm here too and I ain't leavin!

 

Hey everyone there are Muskie in Clearfork Lake, don't tell anyone !!! LOL
I know things most people don't know. Makes me special. Talk about an elusive fish, know something else, they are easier to catch in the creek below the dam then in the lake itself! Why are trout fishermen so annoyed about people knowing of spots? There are millions of those things in the rivers. Seriously, I really am curious!

 

What’s next, somebody posts a picture of a fish and someone else will start crying and claiming it’s their private tagged fish in their spot that was caught there the day before?

 

Why are trout fishermen so annoyed about people knowing of spots? There are millions of those things in the rivers. Seriously, I really am curious!

Because more folks that fish these areas that are private / not posted or going thru private property to access possibly public property are trespassing. The more this happens, the more property we have posted, losing access completely. Those of us who have fished these rivers for many years (including Tom / steelheader007) have witnessed the reduction in fishable property in the lake erie tribs. Many spots on the grand river that were productive and rather easily accessible are now posted no trespassing. Much of the chagrin river is no longer available for fishing above the parks in the lower portion of the river. The majority of the west branch of the rocky river is now posted.

It wasn't this way ten years ago. Much of the property was private, but owners didn't give the fisherman much trouble when staying in the streambed and not littering. Due a larger number of folks fishing these areas, the banks are seeing more damage from the traffic. The more folks fishing these areas, more folks that litter and worse are present. The percentage is the same, but the quantity is higher.

Sites such as this one are viewed by many more than those of us who contribute. Post good results about a stream that's mostly private and the number of folks who go out there is increased. The more this happens, the more property gets posted.

Is ripping on those experienced fisherman who have some concern over the access issues and don't mind having a nice afternoon or morning on the river without being crowded out healthy for a site like this? I don't think so. These folks get ripped and figure that it isn't worth sharing their knowledge on this site. I wonder where some of those knowledgeable posters from the past went?

Hey everyone there are Muskie in Clearfork Lake, don't tell anyone !!! LOL

... which is a public body of water with public boat access and 100% of the lake available publicly. We do not have the same luxury in a river, where standing in the riverbed bordered by public property is trespassing. If our rivers were wide enough to float without touching bottom (i.e. trespassing), the access issue wouldn't be a problem.

Time for me to cry a river this evening. I need somewhere to catch steelies tomorrow.

 

quit bashing the guys who dont want the spots posted, a pm may be a better idea but he has every right to state that he doesnt want areas posted. 99% of the guys on this site may know about that river but most didnt until they read it at some time here. dont even claim that you haven't gained some of your favorite spots from this site, and i bet we all have witnessed a pack of anglers showing up after a post. the site is here so we can discuss and learn, but we all need to learn that somtimes fishing is about being alone and learning skills for ourselfs, it cant happen when every spot that some good angler had the grace to show someone else is publicly announced. this site has the power to teach thousands of anglers new skills, but is also has the power overcrowd almost anywhere, just be aware of it.




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and to add, its not just trout guys, there alot of people who appreciate more than just the catch, its about the river and being in the outdoors, and guys at both your shoulders take a good bit away from that. you dont see them because they avoid you and the others on the crowded rivers (ironic i know). if we were just after those millions of trout in the rivers. we would all just fish paylakes, a 5 acre lake for the bass guys and another for the trout guys, stocked with millions of fish, it would be easier than fishing rivers anyway. heck once we fish out all these newly posted spots out thats all that will be left, i cant wait!!

 

Thanks for the info guys - getting a little better understanding. Just seems like everytime I get on this forum I see someone giving someone else, alot of flack for talking about a spot. Left a bad taste in my mouth and gave me pause.

riverKing - your thought process tells you that publicly bashing someone is an effective method to elicit positive change? That's an interesting theory, how's that working for you and all your social graces. You don't avoid me, I just prefer to hang out with the people who are a little more accepting and less judgemental. I know you are just striving to get to that "peaceful" spot (ironic, I know).

 

I see both sides of the arguement and don't have a very clear opinion because both sides are debated very well. Even the most experienced fishermen were once amatures and started somewhere (either stomping through the terrain and doing their own work OR/AND having an aquaintence tell you of that lucky spot.)

I bet everyone that was told of a spot was amazed by how much "guessing" it took out of fishing and how you then had to just learn how to adjust their rig (at least I was!) After learning how to fish, you could at least know you were doing it successfuly and apply it to find your own spots.

Yesterday, a friend from back when told me how they went out fishing almost 5 times a week through out the summer and only caught one "big" fish holding his hands less than a foot apart. I felt real bad for him even though he must have not been doing enough homework, he still was putting in a great deal of effort and time.

Too bad posting spots do attract people who that are not very respectful/responsable on the other hand!

I guess it's a LOSE/LOSE situation!

Just to let all of the new fishers know a great spot to fish: there is a pond on the north side of Ohio with every kind of fish in all numbers.

 

Riverking makes some very reasonable points. Steel Cranium however I have to question. After all the fishermen thru all the generations have fished these streams why does the opportunity stop with you? You talk about damage that increased traffic causes. Do my footprints cause more damage than yours? Was not the first time that you set foot there "increased traffic" on your behalf? APPARENTLY NO IMPACT THEN . Lets be honest, this is all about selfishness. The hot spots that you all so covet were not "discovered" by you. In most cases they were SHOWN to you by someone else. None of you had a problem with that. You didn't mind the "increased traffic and pressure" in that situation. But, GOD FORBID, it get shared with someone else.You all need to quit wrongly thinking that you are the last and only responsable stewards of these quality fishing holes. Your not and neither was your grandfather.

 

Riverking makes some very reasonable points. Steel Cranium however I have to question. After all the fishermen thru all the generations have fished these streams why does the opportunity stop with you?

The opportunity stops with me? What makes you think that's my intention. That's a brilliant statement. You have obviously provided a who lot of info somewhere in your handful of posts.

You talk about damage that increased traffic causes. Do my footprints cause more damage than yours? Was not the first time that you set foot there "increased traffic" on your behalf? APPARENTLY NO IMPACT THEN .

No. Our footprints are the same, and probably don't cause an issue. But, a public posting of private areas as being "great fishing, look at the pics" cause more than just you and I to visit that area. I can name quite a few where roadside and river access is now gone due to the guys who parked off the road, on private property, tearing up the area.

Lets be honest, this is all about selfishness. The hot spots that you all so covet were not "discovered" by you. In most cases they were SHOWN to you by someone else.

Wow. You know me quite well I guess. My hours of walking miles thru the streams that I fish during the summer months don't help me find spots. It's called doing your homework, not being spoon-fed thru the web. Selfishness? Nope. I used to fish 5+ days a week for all species. Now I'm lucky to get out a few times a week for a short period. Why be selfish when I don't really fish that much anymore?

None of you had a problem with that. You didn't mind the "increased traffic and pressure" in that situation. But, GOD FORBID, it get shared with someone else.You all need to quit wrongly thinking that you are the last and only responsable stewards of these quality fishing holes. Your not and neither was your grandfather.

Sharing is fine in the right arena, but why in a openly public forum like the internet? Posting about mostly public and stocked rivers like the rocky, grand, etc. is fine. But why post about those that are mostly private, just to boast about all of the big fish that you caught? Good way to lose that remaining 5%.

I share quite a bit of info (probably too much at times) on the river, where it isn't broadcast to all with a browser. I get more gratification out of showing someone how and where to fish as opposed to catching myself. I outgrew the "numbers" game many years ago.

Your attitude by many to bash those with experience is great. Way to support this site and run off those who get sick of the bullcr@p. There are some very knowledgable folks who no longer post here. Why provide info to those who just turn around and bash 'em? It gets tired after a while.

 

I guess according to your logic the river guides are the worst of them all; whoring the precious secret spots for money to people who want to buy their fish. Oh no that guy just took MY parking spot, is fishing MY hole on MY river catching MY fish. Cry some more and you will have your own river to fish. Maybe tell on him to your mommy and call 1800-poacher and report him for taking your “public” hole.

 

I guess according to your logic the river guides are the worst of them all; whoring the precious secret spots for money to people who want to buy their fish. Oh no that guy just took MY parking spot, is fishing MY hole on MY river catching MY fish. Cry some more and you will have your own river to fish. Maybe tell on him to your mommy and call 1800-poacher and report him for taking your “public” hole.

Oh boy. This is the direction this site wants to go? This is no longer worth my time. Cry? no. Just wanting to keep a resource around where we continue to lose land access each season. Have fun ladies. I'm going to fish MY river...

 

Steel, you seem to have taken great exception to my post. While a couple of my comments were directed at you in response to your post, the balance was directed to all that that seem to have this personal protective attitude about public fisheries. And when we read their posts it is clear that it is not just to preserve the fishery, but to preserve the fishery for THEM. I would never suggest that someone make public, in a forum such as this, the exact location of any favorite or productive stretch of river. That would be foolish. But that is not how this thread started or what it is about. A young kid merely posted that he was heading to fish a large PUBLIC waterway by the rivers abbreviated name. No location, no road, no landing, no nothing, just the name. He was immediatly assulted and made to be an idiot. On another recent thread a different guy simply asked if the Black River might hold fish. First response was we don't talk about it. That is the kind of bullcr@p that may turn people away. I also have noticed that when some of you guys feel pushed the first thing you do is pick on the number of posts someone might have as a measure of their credability. That is a perfect way to establish that you are the smart one in this discussion. Thank you for the unintended backup.