I'm sorry but I don't agree with you and I'm sure others on here will share the same opinion as well (and some who don't)! For myself, hoover is a blessing having a smaller aluminum boat. It allows people like myself to enjoy the lake rather than be run off it by people who don't obey the law. Let's take alum for example in the north end. People don't obey the no wake zone so what makes you think they're gonna obey a 10 mph limit. If you don't like it then go the 5 miles up the road to alum!!

P.S. Probably not the smartest thing to post as your first post. Contribute before you try to change laws


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Really??

Again?? Read this please...then post about it if you like.

http://www.ohiogamefishing.com/community/showthread.php?t=86819&highlight=horsepower+restrictions

 

Hello all ! First poster here and I'd like say that I enjoy Hoover the way it is . I can actually take my kayak there and fish , rather than Alum that is a big wave pool.

 

I do t fish Hoover, but why not just a no wake policy for the whole lake? I know some of the upgrounds have been changed from hp limits to just a no wake policy.

 

I fish from a Kayak. I love the fact that there is a limit in place at hoover. I have had too many close calls with people to ever go back to alum between Memorial and Labor Day.

 

No offense to anyone who thinks different, but... I fish Hoover almost exclusively, and like it just the way it is.

 

Well, not the reaction I expected but that is OK. What's not OK is telling me that I should "contribute" before trying to change the law?? What kind of tyrannical ideology is that? Maybe you should make a rule that says no law changing ideas until you have posted 9.9 times!

Enforcement is the only way to uphold any of these rules, be it the no wake zone in the north end of Alum or a 10 MPH or no wake zone at Hoover. I guess in your mind, all fisherman with boats over 9.9 HP are degenerate law breakers that can't be trusted any further than you can throw their heavy fiberglass bass boats? If only I were as virtuous as you aluminum boat owner!

I can put my boat in the water at Hoover and run my 150HP motor now. It's enforcement of the ordnance that stops me. It would be enforcement of a speed limit that stops me from going faster if the law was changed. You can buy a 700 HP corvette, but you still have to follow the 25 MPH speed limit where posted.

Big government can find a way to make criminals out of everyone.

 

I'm not suggesting unlimited speed, just use of the motor at low speed. My boat doesn't go any faster than a 10 HP boat at idle.

 

I enjoy Hoover just the way it is. Take the big boats to Erie not our public drinking water lakes.

Hoover is so much more peaceful than Alum, I can see someone now firing up a gigantic inboard or outboard with no muffler and ruining the serenity of Hoover. I about choke just trying to launch at Alum.

Also you would have the swimming and drinking in the coves and other craziness that would bring. The city would have to increase the enforcement budget at least threefold to keep up with violators.

Also More boat traffic would also increase the risk of algae getting into the reservoir.

My two cents you don't have to agree.

 

Big government can find a way to make criminals out of everyone.

Let's not go this far please. Can we keep it to fishing?

As a part of "everyone" I would appreciate it.

 

Well, not the reaction I expected but that is OK. What's not OK is telling me that I should "contribute" before trying to change the law?? What kind of tyrannical ideology is that? Maybe you should make a rule that says no law changing ideas until you have posted 9.9 times!

Enforcement is the only way to uphold any of these rules, be it the no wake zone in the north end of Alum or a 10 MPH or no wake zone at Hoover. I guess in your mind, all fisherman with boats over 9.9 HP are degenerate law breakers that can't be trusted any further than you can throw their heavy fiberglass bass boats? If only I were as virtuous as you aluminum boat owner!

I can put my boat in the water at Hoover and run my 150HP motor now. It's enforcement of the ordnance that stops me. It would be enforcement of a speed limit that stops me from going faster if the law was changed. You can buy a 700 HP corvette, but you still have to follow the 25 MPH speed limit where posted.

Big government can find a way to make criminals out of everyone.

Before we go any farther did you read the first post by Swollen Goat in the thread that I posted the link to? Pretty much sums it up as far as protection of water quality. And remember that the city owns Hoover (all of it) and can shut down any and all access at their discretion.

 

Well, not the reaction I expected but that is OK. What's not OK is telling me that I should "contribute" before trying to change the law?? What kind of tyrannical ideology is that? Maybe you should make a rule that says no law changing ideas until you have posted 9.9 times!

Maybe just say, "Hi," shake a few hands, you know, exercise some social grace before you start pissing people off.

 

I did read that entire thread and my position still stands. The city government is not the boss that we must all bow to. They work for us, and logical, common sense ideas can be put forth to change the laws. The water quality response you speak about is the closest thing to a logical, reasoned response that I've seen, but it still has plenty of holes in it and may prove to be inaccurate under in-depth scrutiny. The responses I've seen to my post today are simply emotional, selfish and void of critical thinking.

 

Maybe just say, "Hi," shake a few hands, you know, exercise some social grace before you start pissing people off.

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I did read that entire thread and my position still stands. The city government is not the boss that we must all bow to. They work for us, and logical, common sense ideas can be put forth to change the laws. The water quality response you speak about is the closest thing to a logical, reasoned response that I've seen, but it still has plenty of holes in it and may prove to be inaccurate under in-depth scrutiny. The responses I've seen to my post today are simply emotional, selfish and void of critical thinking.

And you aren't making your argument out of self-interest? C'mon, smooth your hair back down, make friends, and enjoy the ride. Insults aren't going to win many people over to your side.

Come up with some solid points on how this has worked out on other lakes (such as Knox) and get back to us.

 

Hoover is an excellent fishery BECAUSE of the HP restrictions. Not to mention the only lake within the Central Ohio area that guys with 9.9 and under can go to fish peacefully and not have to worry about massive boats clogging up the water. Is there not enough options out there already for you? C'mon man.


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I had no idea I was going to receive such a negative response on Ohio Game Fishing dot com that I would have to "win" people over. It's not like I suggested this on sailboats r us dot com or paddle boats r for luvrs dot com. Unbelievable! You would think I was suggesting that we prohibit all kayaks and small aluminum boats! I'm the one suggesting a more more inclusive policy.

"A government that robs Peter to pay Paul can always count on the support of Paul."George Bernard Shaw

 

You're right. You indeed had no idea that this thread would generate a negative response, because you didn't bother to search the threads and see that this was already a dead horse. My suggestion: drag your 150hp motor to a nice calm spot on the bank, have a seat on it, and enjoy the fishing.


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And you aren't making your argument out of self-interest?

Self interest and the interest of others like me that may find it impractical or unaffordable to own a different boat to comply with each different nonsensical restriction at different public owned inland bodies of water when a simple "No Wake" rule would suffice at all of these locations. Like MANY fishermen in this state I own a couple of boats, one larger for Lake Erie and a bass boat for inland lake fishing. Because my bass boat has a 200 HP motor I'm excluded from lakes with a 10 HP limit which is moronic IMO. Now I need to buy another boat if I want to fish these lakes? I have fished no wake and low speed limit lakes here and in several other states with my bass boat and never violated the rules or saw any other bass boats violate the rules, although I'm certain it occasionally happens. In these lakes I generally spend the entire day standing on my trolling motor and seldom even fire my big motor up. But that is not good enough here because my motor sticker has too many zeros in it. Do you know what I see all the time on these lakes? I see 14' aluminum boats with small outboards running wide open throwing a classic fat wake from an unbalanced rig, but that is OK, it's just a '10' you know. The worst I ever see a big motored boat do is power load, and that is an entirely different argument. The argument against the wake restriction vs. the HP restriction is waged by those that either don't want or cant afford a higher HP boat and don't want anyone else to run one on "their lake". Simple as that, I believe. Change the stupid law.

 

I did read that entire thread and my position still stands. The city government is not the boss that we must all bow to. They work for us, and logical, common sense ideas can be put forth to change the laws. The water quality response you speak about is the closest thing to a logical, reasoned response that I've seen, but it still has plenty of holes in it and may prove to be inaccurate under in-depth scrutiny.

What holes do you refer to? What is inaccurate? What common sense ideas do you propose to protect that water quality with the increase? As we all know, an increase in boat traffic will affect water quality. If you look at Hoover right now the water level drops below most of the erosion protection measures around the entire reservoir and is usually that way from July through the rest of the season exposing more fine sediment to erode. Enforcement is an issue also. Columbus barely has enough manpower to go around as it is, it just won't get enforced like it should. I see a few boats each time I'm out that don't stay withing the 10 mph speed with 15 errr...I mean 10 hp motors, so what will happen with higher HP? You may very well stay at 10 mph but for those of us that will observe the speed limit I bet 20 percent won't.

Last years algae issue in Hoover affected 2/3 of Columbus, how do we know that that algae issue could not be be made worse by increased boat traffic?. The city spent almost 1 million dollars in extra treatment costs just in that few month time frame. The argument about increasing the chances for an algal bloom that is toxic like Toledo's this past summer is a real potential.

 

I had no idea I was going to receive such a negative response on Ohio Game Fishing dot com that I would have to "win" people over.

This topic has been discussed many, many times, and can certainly be classified as a "Controversial Topic"

A review of OGF's "New Member Handbook" should help acclimate you to the site

http://www.ohiogamefishing.com/community/showthread.php?t=244327

 

Hoover's HP and speed limit have nothing to do with the government trying to hold you down.

It's been covered before, others have tried to get it changed in the past. It ain't happening. You'd probably have better luck pushing for electric only rather than a change to unlimited HP. Plenty of guys with big motors go out there and get around just fine with their trolling motors. Hoover is not very big and has boat launch access on every section of the lake.

 

Lol this thread was a good read. I agree with the horsepower restriction as well. It's perfect the way it is.


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Self interest and the interest of others like me that may find it impractical or unaffordable to own a different boat to comply with each different nonsensical restriction at different public owned inland bodies of water when a simple "No Wake" rule would suffice at all of these locations. Like MANY fishermen in this state I own a couple of boats, one larger for Lake Erie and a bass boat for inland lake fishing. Because my bass boat has a 200 HP motor I'm excluded from lakes with a 10 HP limit which is moronic IMO. Now I need to buy another boat if I want to fish these lakes? I have fished no wake and low speed limit lakes here and in several other states with my bass boat and never violated the rules or saw any other bass boats violate the rules, although I'm certain it occasionally happens. In these lakes I generally spend the entire day standing on my trolling motor and seldom even fire my big motor up. But that is not good enough here because my motor sticker has too many zeros in it. Do you know what I see all the time on these lakes? I see 14' aluminum boats with small outboards running wide open throwing a classic fat wake from an unbalanced rig, but that is OK, it's just a '10' you know. The worst I ever see a big motored boat do is power load, and that is an entirely different argument. The argument against the wake restriction vs. the HP restriction is waged by those that either don't want or cant afford a higher HP boat and don't want anyone else to run one on "their lake". Simple as that, I believe. Change the stupid law.

Surprised it took this long for the "it's the guys that can't afford a big motor boat that don't want it changed" crowd to come out lol.

 

because the lake is city owned, and not a state lake, finding comparisons will be tough but a good example which has worked out very well down here in Dayton is Eastwood Lake, its a 5 Rivers Metropark Lake but its also tied directly to the citys water source.
the rules for this lake is as follows, on Even numbered days, its unlimited HP and lake speed of 35 MPH, Jet skies may be used in a small section of the lake bouyed off
On Odd days the lake is "Idle" only ( yes unlimited HP but you must idle) so this allows all paddle craft, sailboats and fishing to be done in relative peace. The Jet Skies are still allowed to run in the small section.

This has worked out really well since either day on the weekend you can run, or fish. just have to plan accordingly, I often fish on the EVEN days since the fishing pressure is less, I just hav eto deal with idiots..LO

Anyways it works pretty well but it is enforced in ways that most would consider, waaaay overboard, often multiple rangers nitpicking everyone on the shore, ramp and in the water at the same time. Ive been safety checked there multiple times in the same day by different officers,


Might also look at Clear Fork with their 8 MPH speed limit to appease the musky guys with there high speed trolling, or even the new Rule at Acton lake where if you have a 9.9 HP you can run full tilt but a bigger motoer is limited to Idle Only, the state is already looking at making the whole lake Idle only since the 9.9 guys are really obnoxious and waking everyone in there big boats, and that was the point was to eliminate shore erosion by eliminating the large waves from wake.

Salmonid
PS welcome aboard.. not everyone here has an early case of the shack nasties....