hmmm...even in your own home...i think you still have a "duty to retriet" or somehow get away from the robber before resorting to deadly force...sounds like he just sat by the door and waited for the robber to come to him...kinda screwed up he doesnt get charged with murder

 

You have no responsibility to leave youre own home. Thats one of the reasons the doctrine was put into effect in the first place. All you have to do is prove that the invader poses an immediate threat to the safety or lives of yourself or your family. Same applies to your place of business.

That's not to say you won't have your day in court, but you certainly would not be charged. The Castle doctrine also protects you from civil suits.

 

I'll be shooting first and asking questions later if I find someone in my home. You can not know what the intentions are of someone bold enough to break into your house. Just watch the local evening news there's plenty of crazy around. I've got no sympathy for these criminals! I agree with the home owner 100% on this one.

 

hmmm...even in your own home...i think you still have a "duty to retriet" or somehow get away from the robber before resorting to deadly force...sounds like he just sat by the door and waited for the robber to come to him...kinda screwed up he doesnt get charged with murder

No what is screwed up is he had to fear for his own life and safety in HIS OWN HOME. Too bad he did not get the other two scumbags.

 

read it again....didnt sound like he was too fearful...he waited for the guy to come up the stairs, open the door, then killed him..so he couldnt have called the police? he coulda found 20 other ways to avoid it, im not sayin people dont have the right to protect themselves with deadly force, but sittin there, waiting on someone to show themselves? knowing you have time to get out, call the police, or make your presence known and scare the KID that broke in?? I understand , if someones raping or beating your wife or kid..kill the bastard dead! People just wanna find a reason to sling lead and take another life...its an ignorant way of thinking... The burglar wasnt even armed....yayaya..your gonna say " but the homeowner didnt know that" he had time to think about it..thats murder. I know you think in F'd up.. but breaking into your home and stealing a TV doesnt justify taking a human life... if the guy has a weapon, or comes at you, threatens you..well thats different...protect yourself! I have benn broken into twice in my house a few years back.. i had loaded guns for protection.. it was a couple of 19 year old shits that broke in... i yelled and chased 'em with a bat, they ran off, i called the police, they were caught and went to jail...but at least those KIDS can spend some time in jail, ALIVE, and think about their stupidity... a person cant change for the better if theyre dead

 

This man was 100% right for what he did, and I support him and our "make my day law" fully.

With the doctrine I don't believe you need to prove anything besides the fact they broke into your home and were not invited in. I know ccw encounters are alot different.


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read it again....didnt sound like he was too fearful...he waited for the guy to come up the stairs, open the door, then killed him..so he couldnt have called the police? he coulda found 20 other ways to avoid it, im not sayin people dont have the right to protect themselves with deadly force, but sittin there, waiting on someone to show themselves? knowing you have time to get out, call the police, or make your presence known and scare the KID that broke in?? I understand , if someones raping or beating your wife or kid..kill the bastard dead! People just wanna find a reason to sling lead and take another life...its an ignorant way of thinking... The burglar wasnt even armed....yayaya..your gonna say " but the homeowner didnt know that" he had time to think about it..thats murder. I know you think in F'd up.. but breaking into your home and stealing a TV doesnt justify taking a human life... if the guy has a weapon, or comes at you, threatens you..well thats different...protect yourself! I have benn broken into twice in my house a few years back.. i had loaded guns for protection.. it was a couple of 19 year old shits that broke in... i yelled and chased 'em with a bat, they ran off, i called the police, they were caught and went to jail...but at least those KIDS can spend some time in jail, ALIVE, and think about their stupidity... a person cant change for the better if theyre dead

If someone casually broke into my home in the middle of the night, I'm not going to wait around to figure out their motive. They will be shot on sight. I promise you that my friend!



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I would give them a warning first, they stay after the warning they're asking for it.

 

robbed in the past. 92 years old. armed with a .22. more power to him.

 

read it again....didnt sound like he was too fearful...he waited for the guy to come up the stairs, open the door, then killed him..so he couldnt have called the police? he coulda found 20 other ways to avoid it, im not sayin people dont have the right to protect themselves with deadly force, but sittin there, waiting on someone to show themselves? knowing you have time to get out, call the police, or make your presence known and scare the KID that broke in?? I understand , if someones raping or beating your wife or kid..kill the bastard dead! People just wanna find a reason to sling lead and take another life...its an ignorant way of thinking... The burglar wasnt even armed....yayaya..your gonna say " but the homeowner didnt know that" he had time to think about it..thats murder. I know you think in F'd up.. but breaking into your home and stealing a TV doesnt justify taking a human life... if the guy has a weapon, or comes at you, threatens you..well thats different...protect yourself! I have benn broken into twice in my house a few years back.. i had loaded guns for protection.. it was a couple of 19 year old shits that broke in... i yelled and chased 'em with a bat, they ran off, i called the police, they were caught and went to jail...but at least those KIDS can spend some time in jail, ALIVE, and think about their stupidity... a person cant change for the better if theyre dead

I certainly understand where your coming from and can appreciate your opinions. However, I deal with this level of society on a nightly basis and I am constantly reminded of what people are capable of. The bottom line is, you have NO idea what is going through the intruders head and what they are planning on doing. There is no way to know if it is just some kid looking to steal your tv or someone who is going to do MUCH worse. If someone ever made the mistake of breaking into my house, they would NOT be given the opportunity to harm my family, or anyone elses for that matter. I definitely wouldn't ask the intruder what their intentions are! If there is a threat in my "Castle", I will deal with it, and I'll sleep like a baby knowing my family is safe.

Just my thoughts.

 

when entering ones home with evil intentions....be preparred to accept the consequence if caught. my home was a victim of a break in/assault.the docket didnt know an ak is legal to own!please!they make more laws than they can keep up with.all they want is the loopholes.we as americans have the right to protect what is ours!i agree with what the old man did.message well sent!what if it was one of your parents or grandparents' home?

 

If someone casually broke into my home in the middle of the night, I'm not going to wait around to figure out their motive. They will be shot on sight. I promise you that my friend!



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Could be a family member in trouble? Wouldn't you call out first? Wouldn't you want to make sure it wasnt someone you knew?? I think I would yell first. Make sure they knew they were about to lose their life if they didn't beat it. Maybe its your drunken uncle Ernie who knows. A lot can happen in a few seconds though so who knows. You have to protect yourself I suppose. Personally I'd make my intentions known. They'd have about .5 sec to identify themselves or run.

 

Could be a family member in trouble? Wouldn't you call out first? Wouldn't you want to make sure it wasnt someone you knew?? I think I would yell first. Make sure they knew they were about to lose their life if they didn't beat it. Maybe its your drunken uncle Ernie who knows. A lot can happen in a few seconds though so who knows. You have to protect yourself I suppose. Personally I'd make my intentions known. They'd have about .5 sec to identify themselves or run.

I can see all I need to see with my 180 lumen tac light. There wouldn't be any mistakes


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All you have to do is prove that the invader poses an immediate threat to the safety or lives of yourself or your family.

This is important. What does immediate threat mean? It means your trapped and your life is in immediate threat. Like hes sitting on top of you about to bring a brick down on your head - Then you can shoot.

 

This is important. What does immediate threat mean? It means your trapped and your life is in immediate threat. Like hes sitting on top of you about to bring a brick down on your head - Then you can shoot.

Not exactly. All you must prove is that he has the ability to "sit on top if you about to bring a brick down on your head." The doctrine is in place so that the scenario does not have to escalate to that level.

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I'll reiterate... I'm all for ccw, and protecting yourself.. I wouldn't give some guy a chance to harm my family either..but I'd definitely try other means first before deadly force. There IS a line between " thinking" your life is in danger...and it actually being in danger.just like catman states. ( I'm guessing he's a cop based on his reply) ask a cop how many times he has actually fired his weapon... It's prolly not many..if at all. You know why? Because they use GOOD judgement, they disarm a situation in other ways first before taking a life.

Just a scenario... 15 years from now...your son gets involved with the wrong bunch of kids... Gets dared to Break in to a house and take a tv..now he's dead cause some guy didn't think first and maybe just kick his ass...or warn him with a gun first..maybe even chase him off... He'd at least be ALIVE for you to ground his ass and intervene. I guess I'm tryin to say...think first

 

I'll reiterate... I'm all for ccw, and protecting yourself.. I wouldn't give some guy a chance to harm my family either..but I'd definitely try other means first before deadly force. There IS a line between " thinking" your life is in danger...and it actually being in danger.just like catman states. ( I'm guessing he's a cop based on his reply) ask a cop how many times he has actually fired his weapon... It's prolly not many..if at all. You know why? Because they use GOOD judgement, they disarm a situation in other ways first before taking a life.

Just a scenario... 15 years from now...your son gets involved with the wrong bunch of kids... Gets dared to Break in to a house and take a tv..now he's dead cause some guy didn't think first and maybe just kick his ass...or warn him with a gun first..maybe even chase him off... He'd at least be ALIVE for you to ground his ass and intervene. I guess I'm tryin to say...think first

Well, now that my cover is blown, let the hate mail start pouring in. Just last week, I was involved in two resistings. That is to say I made two arrests over the course of a week where the guy tried to fight me! These are two examples of someone willing to assault a UNIFORMED OFFICER! What do you think that person would do to someone he knew was NOT an officer. Someone who doesn't have backup on the way, no training, no body armor, taser, pepper spray etc. The people are out there folks and they are not nearly as rare as we would like to believe.

Ultimately, there is no real right or wrong answer. All you can do is what you believe is right for you and your family. Im certainly not going to tell anyone what they should do in I situation as serious as that.

 

Good for him.

Also, hes 92. Just about everything is a danger to a 92 year old. Even more reason to be fearful and act to protect yourself.

Ill say it again, good for him.

 

Good for him.

Also, hes 92. Just about everything is a danger to a 92 year old. Even more reason to be fearful and act to protect yourself.

Ill say it again, good for him.

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You break into someone's home be ready to accept the consequence. Which in today's world could very well be death. It's just a matter of time before they start realizing that. And if not, a bunch of dead men with evil intentions is just fine with me.

 

You can pretty much bet that someone who has forced an illegal entry to your home is not there to tuck you in, give you a night night kiss and put a mint on your pillow. Call the police? Seriously do you have any clue how long it takes an officer to respond? 10 mins? 15 mins? 30 mins? A heck of alot of mayhem can happen while waiting on the police to show, which will probably be escalated when the intruder is made aware that they are coming. Thank you but no, I will take my chances and do what I feel is needed to protect my wife, children and myself. There is a simple way to avoid confrontation like this, stay the hell out of other peoples homes! If you choose to ignore this common sense path then be ready for the concequences. I refuse to be a victim. How do you know these idiots did not have concealed weapons? How do you know they were not going to wait until everyone was asleep and smother them with their own pillows? You don't. Unfortunately this is the world we live in and I am sure not going to put my trust in some douche that has broken in to my house that "he means no harm".....I just do not understand the sheep mentality....................

 

Castle doctorine...... Hmmm. As a cc member myself. Once I was alerted in my home that someone was there here's my take an opinion. I grab my weapon ( glock 23) call the police, now if I had kids I would be straight to their room first and foremost clearing the hallway on my way. Now if it is an intruder and we made contact my firearm would.be raised and pointed straight at chest, my instructions would be to.get on the ground .if he runs away down the stairs I do not follow I stay upstairs and wait for the police, if he takes one step towards me I.fire two.the chest or until the threat stops. Same.thing if I go to kids room and don't see intruder I do.not go downstairs. Someay have diff views but thats me.

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read it again....didnt sound like he was too fearful...he waited for the guy to come up the stairs, open the door, then killed him..so he couldnt have called the police? he coulda found 20 other ways to avoid it...

The dude is 92 and multiple people were in his house. If it was a family member don't you think they would've knocked on the front door? He may not have a phone in the room he was in and it's not like he had 10 minutes to wait for the police to get there anyway. If he yells "Who's there?" and they're armed then they know where he is. If he waits to ask them their intentions what keeps them from drawing first if they are armed? I mean, do you expect a 92 year old man to run and hide under his bed so he doesn't have to hurt people who broke into his house?

 

What about police raids? The guys 92, I'm sure his hearing and vision sucks and police get the wrong house sometimes. What if he took one of them out? Do the police have to announce themselves before kicking in your door or is the castle built for civilians only?

 

Do the police have to announce themselves before kicking in your door?

Yes, they do.