is it possible that the redear in mogadore were over fished? or did they just move.there use to be a bank you could go to at this time of the year and do very well around this time of the year.I went there could not find a single redear,and only found a few baby gills.Im not the best bluegiller in town,but i dont think it's just me.I saw a fish report that said that gave redear at mogadore a poor.and an old timr said the same.
barf
is it possible that redear were over fished/mogadore
yeah they were,its happening to portage sadly too.i was out yesterday and deff noticed it at portage
I think this happens everywhere anymore. There are several factors to that in my opinion:
1.) There's no limit to how many you keep.
2.) They are fished nearly year round here, unlike bass, which are largely incidental catches on the ice. This is nothing against ice fishermen, so hardwater boys don't take offense as you have the same right to 'em as the summer anglers.
3.) There are far too many people who keep EVERYTHING they catch, and Mogadore is a great example of that.
4.) The bigger game fish seem to like to eat the same fish we do. I think the Mogadore bass outlook has been on the rise for 4 or 5 years as the panfish has been on the decline.
1.) There's no limit to how many you keep.
2.) They are fished nearly year round here, unlike bass, which are largely incidental catches on the ice. This is nothing against ice fishermen, so hardwater boys don't take offense as you have the same right to 'em as the summer anglers.
3.) There are far too many people who keep EVERYTHING they catch, and Mogadore is a great example of that.
4.) The bigger game fish seem to like to eat the same fish we do. I think the Mogadore bass outlook has been on the rise for 4 or 5 years as the panfish has been on the decline.
Me and my dad spoke of this 2 weeks ago on the lake..
I definatly agree, I feel panfish in general, I noticed in the last 5 years
there size has dwindled..
I definatly agree, I feel panfish in general, I noticed in the last 5 years
there size has dwindled..
Not to jump to conclusions or blame anyone, but overharvest can put a real dent in your fishing activities. Next time you see some guy putting 3 and 4 inch fish in the basket, speak up! Don't be rude, just suggest putting the fish back to get bigger. Can't hurt, and maybe you'll educate someone on selective harvest.
I've been meaning to ask this question, and this seems like a good opportunity. What are your guy's opinions on the smallest size fish you should keep from the inland lakes such as Mosquito, Pymatuning, LaDue, Berlin, Mogadore, etc... I would be curious to know your thoughts on Bluegill, Crappie, Yellow Perch, Walleye, and Channel Catfish. I like a good fresh fish dinner every once in a while, but I'm just not sure what is appropriate to keep and to let go. Any advice?
for gills anything 7 inches or bigger.
crappies i wont keep anything under 10 inches but prefer 11 or bigger.
channel cats between 18 and 20 inches only nothing bigger or smaller.
i don't keep the flat heads not because i dont think they taste good, its just that i like to let them get big they are a blast to catch. but i hardly keep any cats anyway.
walleye and saugeye, i know the dnr size limits on some lakes is 15" but i prefer to set my own size limit of at least 18" and no bigger than 24" the rest go back in the drink.
i dont keep any Largemouth or Smallmouth bass.
as for white bass 13 inches and up for them.
and perch 10" or better.
and since sauger dont get very big either i like for them to be at least 13 inches or bigger.
Now i dont always keep the fish i catch but when i decide i want to put a few in the freezer these are the sizes i go by. if anyone thinks i should adjust my size limits let me know because ive often wondered if sometimes they should be.
crappies i wont keep anything under 10 inches but prefer 11 or bigger.
channel cats between 18 and 20 inches only nothing bigger or smaller.
i don't keep the flat heads not because i dont think they taste good, its just that i like to let them get big they are a blast to catch. but i hardly keep any cats anyway.
walleye and saugeye, i know the dnr size limits on some lakes is 15" but i prefer to set my own size limit of at least 18" and no bigger than 24" the rest go back in the drink.
i dont keep any Largemouth or Smallmouth bass.
as for white bass 13 inches and up for them.
and perch 10" or better.
and since sauger dont get very big either i like for them to be at least 13 inches or bigger.
Now i dont always keep the fish i catch but when i decide i want to put a few in the freezer these are the sizes i go by. if anyone thinks i should adjust my size limits let me know because ive often wondered if sometimes they should be.
saugeyesam you couldnt have said it better.for me gills gotta be 9 inches or bigger and i rarely keep those.out of the 10's of thousands ive caught at portage in the past few years and alot being nice ones ive only kept maybe 35 or 40 gills out of there.those redears are just plain fun to catch.crappies nothing under 11in and i only keep them in water under 58degrees cuz the meat is firmer. walleye/saugeye is the only thing i keep and 18 to 23in is what i keep and never keep more than 8 at a time between my dad and i.heck this past weekend my dad and i got 51 walleye and 80% were over 16in to 21in and we kept 9,thats the most weve ever kept at one time.we never keep anything else unless we go perching at erie.in my opinion the state should have closed season on ALL game species of fish during spawn.and year around bag limits,esp on panfish.i think in all lakes a state wide 15in limit on walleye/saugeye/sauger and an 18in limit on a few various lakes.and a 15in limit on bass state wide and 18in limit on a few lakes to make them trophy lakes.and a 9 or 10in limit on crappie state wide with a 25bag limit on all panfish. look at some other states like Minnesota for instance,amazing fishing and strict fishing regulations.that plays a vital part in the fishing along with lake management.ive wrote the state before but it takes more than one person to make a difference.
I think a bag limit is all that is needed. If you are limited to 20 panfish, you are going to be more discriminating about the size you keep. What hurts the fishery is that there are many pan fishermen who fish often and keep large numbers every time.
I unfortunately only get to make a handful of pan fishing trips per year and plan to keep some fish on those trips. Admittedly, some of my gills are 6 inchers and some crappie 8-9 inches if the bite is slow. However, I am not fishing often and keeping tons of fish. I don't feel there is anything wrong with that. Once I have a few quart size bags in the freezer, I am more choosey about what I keep.
I unfortunately only get to make a handful of pan fishing trips per year and plan to keep some fish on those trips. Admittedly, some of my gills are 6 inchers and some crappie 8-9 inches if the bite is slow. However, I am not fishing often and keeping tons of fish. I don't feel there is anything wrong with that. Once I have a few quart size bags in the freezer, I am more choosey about what I keep.
I firmly believe there should be a posted limit on ALL fish. in my mind there is no reason to keep a fish under 8 inches. if that means a couple of lean winters for panfish, so be it. Tell me you would complain two years later when the fishing improves.
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A bag limit should be in order for panfish in the state. Panfish make a great meal and are sought after by many fisherman for their taste. Its too easy to pull 100's off their beds at a time during the spawn and to many uneducated fisherman are depleating the numbers just because they can.
I was pleasantly surprised on Memorial Day at Portage going after BG. I never thought I'd see another 8"+ BG. I bought a 3wt fly rod just for those Mogadore red ear. Fishing dried up before I ever used it out there.
I could have wiped out the whole nest, but stopped at 20, (23).
I feel its common sense. I realize not to many people have that anymore. Just look at the trash people leave behind!
To me the outdoors are like golf....theres no one around to see you cheating or taking advantage, so you have to monitor yourself! I used to be a high school BBall coach, I would tell my players to discipline yourself so others don't have to......personal responsibility.
I was pleasantly surprised on Memorial Day at Portage going after BG. I never thought I'd see another 8"+ BG. I bought a 3wt fly rod just for those Mogadore red ear. Fishing dried up before I ever used it out there.
I could have wiped out the whole nest, but stopped at 20, (23).
I feel its common sense. I realize not to many people have that anymore. Just look at the trash people leave behind!
To me the outdoors are like golf....theres no one around to see you cheating or taking advantage, so you have to monitor yourself! I used to be a high school BBall coach, I would tell my players to discipline yourself so others don't have to......personal responsibility.
thanx 4 the advice.I was ignorant, keeping too many too small.I will set my own bag limit.25 or less.nothing under 6"for gills 7"for ears.what is the limet for largemouth.they only gave me a card.they used too give you a paper with the rules on it.(dont worry c and r people I only catch a couple a year.)
i agree with the panfish limit idea i think it has made a difference on Erie with the perch. and since inland waters are so much smaller and take a higher amount of pressure a panfish limit is in order. i quit ice fishing the MWCD lakes because of the diminishing sizes in the crappies and bluegills. i usually fish farm ponds for gills in the winter and spring and even then 20 is my limit. i agree with JRugz on monitoring ones self. the DNR shouldnt shoulder the brunt of keeping our lakes regulated we as sportsmen should help out by not keeping those extra 5 gills or crappies that may be undersized just to eek out enough for a fish fry or decent dinner. we have to ask ourselves is it really worth it. ok i'm off the soap box fella's hope i didnt make anyone mad.
hey just one thing to remember 20, 8 or 9 inch gills = 40 nice fillet's i dont know about the rest of you but one good trip in the winter and one in the spring with a limit of 20 nice gills thats 80 Fillet's that would make a nice fish fry. throw in a whole deer backstrap cut into butterfly chops, marinated and grilled, plus fries, coleslaw, potato salad, baked beans, and a couple sodas or cold beers and i could have one hell of a fish fry.
hey just one thing to remember 20, 8 or 9 inch gills = 40 nice fillet's i dont know about the rest of you but one good trip in the winter and one in the spring with a limit of 20 nice gills thats 80 Fillet's that would make a nice fish fry. throw in a whole deer backstrap cut into butterfly chops, marinated and grilled, plus fries, coleslaw, potato salad, baked beans, and a couple sodas or cold beers and i could have one hell of a fish fry.
that is garbage. I have seen plenty of white non-amish guys with no responsibility keeping their fair share of dinks
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Fellas, lets not let this turn into an ethnic thing. Lots of diffrent people keep everything they catch.
chaunc is right. I've seen many diferent kinds of people disrespecting lakes, from keeping all dinks, taking 100's at a time to dumping trash. What they all have in common is a lack of concern and vision for the future.
When I was a pup, my fam went to Niagra Falls. The first thing I did was pick up a rock and throw it in the river like any young kid would do. I remember my old man telling me what I did was wrong......he continued by saying that if every kid who visited the falls threw a rock into the river, that the river would not be the same. Now as an 8 year old kid, I had a hard time thinking how my little rock would hurt anything. But as my dad explained that the falls probably gets millions of visiters, it all started to make sense.
When I was a pup, my fam went to Niagra Falls. The first thing I did was pick up a rock and throw it in the river like any young kid would do. I remember my old man telling me what I did was wrong......he continued by saying that if every kid who visited the falls threw a rock into the river, that the river would not be the same. Now as an 8 year old kid, I had a hard time thinking how my little rock would hurt anything. But as my dad explained that the falls probably gets millions of visiters, it all started to make sense.
I've heard that as well,maybe people are taking too many big ones.I really do not know.I have heard of people pulling 80 keapers out almost every day(that is why I tried the lake to begin with)
Here we go again , if sportfishing was a problem Mosquito lake would have been wiped out long ago. It is one of the most heavily fished lakes locally. Some people think it already is. They have been saying that for a long time. Yet fishermen continue to catch fish large , medium and small.
Fishermen have been keeping fish for years, fish will continue to survive If Mogadore has a stunted panfish problem I can assure you the problem is not over harvest. Now if overharvest is the problem why just Mogadore. Why not all the lakes ? Do the _______
(insert minority that you wish to blame) only fish that lake ? I would like to believe that Ohio's biologists know a little more than a few disgruntled fishermen.
As far as Lake Erie , if you want to see huge perch populations, ban commercial fishing. Commercial fishing can and does wipe out fish populations. Even the Oceans are starting to feel the impact of high tech commercial fishing.
Another thing I firmly believe. If every lake in Ohio was strictly catch and release there would still be people that could not catch fish. If you read the fishing reports carefully. Have you ever noticed that a lot of good fishermen post here about catching and very little complaining ? The SAME names year after year. In the same FISHED out lakes you all have been fishing.
In conclusion I would imagine back in pre-colonial times here in the US. There were individual Indian hunters that weren't just as good as some of thier fellow tribesmen at hunting even though the lands teemed with game. I could hear them now. " Yep game animals are really getting scarce now. Damn __________ ( insert tribe of your choice ) have killed off everything. "
Fishermen have been keeping fish for years, fish will continue to survive If Mogadore has a stunted panfish problem I can assure you the problem is not over harvest. Now if overharvest is the problem why just Mogadore. Why not all the lakes ? Do the _______
(insert minority that you wish to blame) only fish that lake ? I would like to believe that Ohio's biologists know a little more than a few disgruntled fishermen.
As far as Lake Erie , if you want to see huge perch populations, ban commercial fishing. Commercial fishing can and does wipe out fish populations. Even the Oceans are starting to feel the impact of high tech commercial fishing.
Another thing I firmly believe. If every lake in Ohio was strictly catch and release there would still be people that could not catch fish. If you read the fishing reports carefully. Have you ever noticed that a lot of good fishermen post here about catching and very little complaining ? The SAME names year after year. In the same FISHED out lakes you all have been fishing.
In conclusion I would imagine back in pre-colonial times here in the US. There were individual Indian hunters that weren't just as good as some of thier fellow tribesmen at hunting even though the lands teemed with game. I could hear them now. " Yep game animals are really getting scarce now. Damn __________ ( insert tribe of your choice ) have killed off everything. "
i think what everybody is forgetting is almost every fish spawns and reproduces it would be tremendously hard to overfish a lake because the fish reproduces every year so that is my opinion on that i don't know maybe i am wrong.
hey guys i think we got side tracked here i believe it was Barf that simply asked if a certain lake may have been over fished.
we all have opinions and we're entitled to them , but there's no reason to be hostile with each other. everyone has there theory on why some lakes aren't producing like they use to. truth is its a combination of factors.
take the Erie walleye population some years have better spawn mortality rates than others. and just as with the walleye other fish are affected by such things as weather, water condition, predation, fishing, and any number of other factors. as for the commercial fishing, those fishermen have quotas and those quotas are set each year in advance by the fish and wildlife services of both the Canadian and U.S states that border Erie.
and if commercial fishing was having that great of an impact i believe it would be eliminated altogether or seriously reduced. so before we start blaming the Amish or Foreigners or each other for poor harvesting practices lets all step back and look at the big picture.
we have to remember that the DNR hasn't placed limits on certain species in most inland waters so if some dude wants to keep a dozen undersized pan fish that's his call not yours mine or anyone else's but as joerugz stated before it should be up to us fisherman to regulate and limit ourselves.
meaning that if as an individual you believe only keeping 10 or 20 gills or crappies in a trip will help with keeping the population healthy and over fished then by all means only keep what you feel is a fair number.
granted everyone's numbers are going to vary greatly and there will still be those who choose to keep everything they catch. but the fact is fellas until the DNR sets limits nothing much will change. now if we are that bothered or concerned then my suggestion is get a petition together get people to sign it and go to the DNR open houses that are held each year and state the case or concern.
i certainly hope i haven't made any enemies with this post, i am just giving my opinion. and i totally understand if some disagree.
we all have opinions and we're entitled to them , but there's no reason to be hostile with each other. everyone has there theory on why some lakes aren't producing like they use to. truth is its a combination of factors.
take the Erie walleye population some years have better spawn mortality rates than others. and just as with the walleye other fish are affected by such things as weather, water condition, predation, fishing, and any number of other factors. as for the commercial fishing, those fishermen have quotas and those quotas are set each year in advance by the fish and wildlife services of both the Canadian and U.S states that border Erie.
and if commercial fishing was having that great of an impact i believe it would be eliminated altogether or seriously reduced. so before we start blaming the Amish or Foreigners or each other for poor harvesting practices lets all step back and look at the big picture.
we have to remember that the DNR hasn't placed limits on certain species in most inland waters so if some dude wants to keep a dozen undersized pan fish that's his call not yours mine or anyone else's but as joerugz stated before it should be up to us fisherman to regulate and limit ourselves.
meaning that if as an individual you believe only keeping 10 or 20 gills or crappies in a trip will help with keeping the population healthy and over fished then by all means only keep what you feel is a fair number.
granted everyone's numbers are going to vary greatly and there will still be those who choose to keep everything they catch. but the fact is fellas until the DNR sets limits nothing much will change. now if we are that bothered or concerned then my suggestion is get a petition together get people to sign it and go to the DNR open houses that are held each year and state the case or concern.
i certainly hope i haven't made any enemies with this post, i am just giving my opinion. and i totally understand if some disagree.
Now that is possible the funniest thing I've read on here in awhile. The Fishing was always better last year, at any lake you chose to name. You know why, because we remember the good times, thats why we keep going. We forget about all the crappy fishing days we had last year. For the majority of us who are recreational fishermen and not pros or experts, we have that one great day on the water. All the stars are lined up right or what ever and we just kill it, I mean it's one of those days we talk about for years. Well now are expectations are so high and when we don't have one of those days, well it has to be because there is something wrong with the lake. I'm not saying it is impossible to fish a lake out, but it is allot harder than people make it out to be.
This has been my pet peeve for the past few years....Too many small fish going home....I only take a selective size home and never go over 20 keeper's... By the time I get home from the lake clean everything up...put the boat away.... I am almost too tired to clean all those fish...And my fish never sit Ice'd down overnight....In my opinion Selective Harvest is the only way too go...You guys that want too keep everything you catch ...will live to regret it....( MY OPINION )...JIM......
tanx for the responses.apparently I have stumbled across an extremely sensitive issue.not my intent.It was an honest Question.(of which I still don't have a clear answer.)but none the less thanks for your honest opinions.----PS I was fishing at springfield lake today,and ran across a guy shore fishing.-If only you could see his face when he caught a tiny gill.reminds me of why I started fishing again.
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