Id be too worried about some noob, all around jerk, or some bored hunter to blow it out the sky.

 

Article in the January issue in the American Hunter on this topic. Laws are evolving on the use these things for sure, but I would hate to see them legal for any type of hunting though. Just doesn't seem ethical.

 

I would like to have an infared camera mounted to one and fly it at night. That could be interesting.

 

Article in the January issue in the American Hunter on this topic. Laws are evolving on the use these things for sure, but I would hate to see them legal for any type of hunting though. Just doesn't seem ethical.

Just curious, why would it be a big deal if they were used? I'm pretty sure they're legal to use now. So instead of mounting a game camera to a tree you're flying a video camera around "scouting" possible game. I don't see the problem as long as the person is following the laws that the FAA has set for personal drones. Cameras, binoculars, high powered scopes, etc, are used to locate game for hunters, I don't see a small helicopter type drone with a video camera being that much different. Might be more trouble than it's worth but I'd leave that up to each individual. That's a lot of crap to haul along in addition to your regular hunting gear.

Id be too worried about some noob, all around jerk, or some bored hunter to blow it out the sky.

I would hope someone wouldn't be that stupid to destroy someone else's property on a "just because" reason. To me that's no different than shooting my game camera, deer stand or my truck because someone is bored.

 

Just curious, why would it be a big deal if they were used? I'm pretty sure they're legal to use now. So instead of mounting a game camera to a tree you're flying a video camera around "scouting" possible game. I don't see the problem as long as the person is following the laws that the FAA has set for personal drones. Cameras, binoculars, high powered scopes, etc, are used to locate game for hunters, I don't see a small helicopter type drone with a video camera being that much different. Might be more trouble than it's worth but I'd leave that up to each individual. That's a lot of crap to haul along in addition to your regular hunting gear.



I would hope someone wouldn't be that stupid to destroy someone else's property on a "just because" reason. To me that's no different than shooting my game camera, deer stand or my truck because someone is bored.

Would you drive your truck back onto someone's property to scout deer? Or hang your stand or camera on someone else's land? I'd take them


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Would you drive your truck back onto someone's property to scout deer? Or hang your stand or camera on someone else's land? I'd take them

I'm assuming the OP was talking about property that you had permission to be on, whether hunting or just scouting. Why are you assuming myself or the OP is trespassing on land that we have no permission to be on? If I'm somewhere that I have permission to be I don't see the issue. I don't hunt, fish, or back my truck onto someone's property without permission. So if my items are somewhere where I have permission to put them, and someone damages them or takes them, WE'VE GOT A PROBLEM!

 

I wouldn't be in favor of drones for any type of hunting assistance or pictures.

 

My opinion is that it would be completely unethical & I personally would never do it. Live stream videa to your laptop to see where the deer are, then go hunting ......... where did good old fashioned woodsmanship and scouting go ??!!!
It would also add fuel to the anti's fire regarding poor sportsmanship & ethics.

 

Any new technology has potential for good purposes and misuse. Had not thought of drones in this way as hunting assistance. I could imagine how a drone flow over head looking for a downed deer in a swamp or thick area that may be difficult or unsafe to travel through. I imagine a thin sheet of ice in a swampy area when a nice buck ran after shot. Did my buck go into the swamp and out the other side or is he down out where he will likely not be found because it is unsafe to follow into the deeper water. Anything to recover a downed deer or to be more sure the deer survived is ethical IMHO. BTW I'm in favor of dogs assisting in tracking deer after the shot is taken for hunters unable to find their deer. Anything that makes for personal safety for hunters and recovery of game I'm for it. As hunters we need to be careful to not demonize a technology without information. I remember when two way radios were not allowed because they may be used inproperly. There was a time when no secondary firearm CCW was allowed on a hunters person. Surpressors were outlawed because of misconceptions. Now after a long time they may be used for legal hunting.
A drone I witnessed flying had a distinctive whirling noise my old ears could hear at over a hundred yards away. I'm guessing deer would not likely tolerate being buzzed by some flying things over their heads. I will look first at positive applications of any use of drones to outweigh the few who will try to use any new technology for unethical or illegal purposes.

 

I am against any drone use in the US. I see them as unethical in many ways and an invasion of privacy.

 

No need for more tech gadgets in the hunting world........... How bout getting out and scouting and hunting for yourself, more rewarding if you ask me...... hunters these days just want to kill the trophy......... could careless about the hunt itself or experiences in the woods........... Maybe brush up on your woodman ship, tracking, scouting and you wont need all this gear to do it for you............ but just my two cents

 

If you have to use a drone to hunt, why hunt at all ? Just more mechanical junk in the woods and fields.

 

maybe odnr should use them to count the deer

 

I'm a big fan of fair chase.

http://www.boone-crockett.org/huntingEthics/ethics_fairchase.asp?area=huntingEthics

I like their definition.

FAIR CHASE STATEMENT
FAIR CHASE, as defined by the Boone and Crockett Club, is the ethical, sportsmanlike, and lawful pursuit and taking of any free-ranging wild, native North American big game animal in a manner that does not give the hunter an improper advantage over such animals.
HUNTER ETHICS
Fundamental to all hunting is the concept of conservation of natural resources. Hunting in today's world involves the regulated harvest of individual animals in a manner that conserves, protects, and perpetuates the hunted population. The hunter engages in a one-to-one relationship with the quarry and his or her hunting should be guided by a hierarchy of ethics related to hunting, which includes the following tenets:
1. Obey all applicable laws and regulations.
2. Respect the customs of the locale where the hunting occurs.
3. Exercise a personal code of behavior that reflects favorably on your abilities and sensibilities as a hunter.
4. Attain and maintain the skills necessary to make the kill as certain and quick as possible.
5. Behave in a way that will bring no dishonor to either the hunter, the hunted, or the environment.
6. Recognize that these tenets are intended to enhance the hunter's experience of the relationship between predator and prey, which is one of the most fundamental relationships of humans and their environment.

 

I'm not for or against using new technology. I think using the term "drone" is a bit overkill. In reality, what anyone could afford and use in the field would be a remote control hovering craft, or helicopter; all with a GoPro or other type of small, live streaming device. RC planes and helicopters and other small flying devices have been around a long time, this is nothing new. Drone is a nice catch phrase everyone likes to use. When I think of a Drone, I'm thinking a rather large unmanned aircraft that can reach very high altitudes, go long distances and require an airstrip for takeoff and landing. Sure the military has small hand held and hand launched units that they call Drones, but they are in reality just RC planes and hover type units, no different than something that has been available in RC stores and even toy stores for years. So those RC racecars and RC offroad cars are drones now? People mount small cameras on those too. So I guess if I had a small RC offroad car and put a GoPro on it to check out the fields that would now be considered a Drone?

So let me play Devil's Advocate for a minute; a lot of people said using a "drone" to scout game is unethical and not sportsmanlike. Ok, opinions are not right or wrong, they are what someone believes and I respect that. But let me put this out there. If using a RC hovering craft with a camera is unethical or not sportsmanlike; then how about we don't use ANYTHING that gives us an advantage in the woods. Ready for the list? No more game cameras; no tree stands; no GPS; no thinsulate, gortex or waterproof clothing; no binoculars; no high tech sunglasses; no high powered rifles or scopes; how about no GUNS at all; no crossbows or compound bows; nothing with Scentlock; no animal calls at all, you have to use your mouth; no feeding stations for deer; no duck or deer blinds; no pocket handwarmers; AND..... this list could go on. If you want to be ethical and sportsmanlike, go out in the wild and hunt with a rock or a club, now that is being real. Think about all the crap you wear or take with you on a hunt, now don't use any of that at all. This puts us back on level with the original Native Americans before firearms. Now that's hunting, it's ethical and sportsmanlike. So yeah I'm being Devil's Advocate here but just think of all the stuff that gives you an advantage in the field; now don't use any of it at all. Oh, I almost forgot; you can use a bow and arrow, you just have to make one like the Native Americans did. Now what can you bag without all your "modern" stuff?

Here's a video of some mobile drone units. Some people fish, some hunt, some take pictures, some collect comic books, some play with expensive toys, to each their own, Enjoy!

 

That would be fine by me. That's how I learned to kill deer. On the ground with a stick bow wearing home made camo. I would be all for it. We would definately see an increase in the deer herd.

 

Drones for hunting---- no way ! What would be next, sonar{fish finders} and under-water cameras for fisherman, that would just be ridiculous
Honestly-- I doubt it would be a GREAT advantage for hunters but probably would give Anti's something to rally on.

 

That would be fine by me. That's how I learned to kill deer. On the ground with a stick bow wearing home made camo. I would be all for it.

I'd actually love to see more of this type of hunting. Down to it's bare roots. Either this or up in a tree ala Rambo in First Blood with a spear jumping down and killing wild boar with it. Now that's hunting!

 

I'd actually love to see more of this type of hunting. Down to it's bare roots. Either this or up in a tree ala Rambo in First Blood with a spear jumping down and killing wild boar with it. Now that's hunting!

Have at it, EStrong. There's several forums and magazines dedicated to the art of knapping flint, making bows, etc. I'd recommend you'll want to check the legalities of using spears and knives.

IMO, the technology goes as far as you can afford. The advent and release to the public of FLIR thermal image type cameras are something I can easily see as being a problem. This goes way beyond night vision scopes. As time goes on they, as well as drones, are getting more sophisticated, allowing clearer images, longer flight time and range. It could allow a hunter to get out of his truck and scan potentially hundreds, maybe thousands of acres in less time imaginable. A team of hunters could then use that info to set up perfect stands and drives. FLIR video the whole affair, see where the deer herded off to, set up and repeat. You could probably be able to see every warm blooded creature, maybe even in their dens. With even the cheap ones, you can see pipes inside walls, leaky windows, while the better ones can let you see through walls and see the people inside their houses.

Then on the other hand, buying one for tracking might be cheaper than keeping a dog. I think ODNR needs to address it. An outright ban would be way too much, but, in a rare instance in my life, I think it needs regulation.

 

I'd treat a drone over my property while I'm hunting the same way I would treat one outside my window. I'm gonna shoot it down. I figure #4 shot would do a number on one...

 

I understand the debate over the use of drones. Personally I wouldn't use them, but I could be persuaded to tolerate their use if there were some very important regulations attached to it.

First some definitions ...

Drone: Any and all unmanned vehicles capable of flight, which have the ability to either store, or transmit video surveillance.

Hunt: To chase or search for (game or other wild animals) for the purpose of catching or killing. To pursue with force, hostility, etc., in order to capture

And now the regulations ...

1: Drone users must strictly adhere to any and all rules or regulations governing the flight of an unmanned aircraft, as set forth by the FAA. In addition, said drone user must also strictly adhere to any and all regulations governing the use of an unmanned aircraft set forth by the state or local municipality in which the unmanned aircraft will be operated.

2: The operator of a drone can at no time during the operation of said drone, hunt, or have in their possession or at their immediate disposal: An implement which is legal to take a game animal within the state or municipality in which the drone is being operated.

3: A drone user cannot hunt the area surveyed by the drone for at least a 24 hour period after said surveillance has ended. Nor can the drone user aid, assist or instruct, verbally or otherwise, any person or persons in pursuit of game, while the drone is in use.

4: No person, or persons may hunt within a 24 hour period, an area surveyed by a drone, after viewing any visual images acquired through the use of said drone. This includes any stored or real time video as well as still photographs produced through the use of a drone.

In other words ..... you can use them, but you can't hunt the same day you use them. You can't help anyone hunt while you're using it. And anyone that sees the video or any still pictures can't hunt the same day they see them either.

 

I understand the debate over the use of drones. Personally I wouldn't use them, but I could be persuaded to tolerate their use if there were some very important regulations attached to it.

First some definitions ...

Drone: Any and all unmanned vehicles capable of flight, which have the ability to either store, or transmit video surveillance.

Hunt: To chase or search for (game or other wild animals) for the purpose of catching or killing. To pursue with force, hostility, etc., in order to capture

And now the regulations ...

1: Drone users must strictly adhere to any and all rules or regulations governing the flight of an unmanned aircraft, as set forth by the FAA. In addition, said drone user must also strictly adhere to any and all regulations governing the use of an unmanned aircraft set forth by the state or local municipality in which the unmanned aircraft will be operated.

2: The operator of a drone can at no time during the operation of said drone, hunt, or have in their possession or at their disposal: An implement which is legal to take a game animal within the state or municipality in which the drone is being operated.

3: A drone user cannot hunt the area surveyed by the drone for at least a 24 hour period after said surveillance has ended. Nor can the drone user aid, assist or instruct, verbally or otherwise, any person or persons in pursuit of game, while the drone is in use.

4: No person, or persons may hunt within a 24 hour period after viewing any stored or real time video which was acquired through the use of a drone.

In other words ..... you can use them, but you can't hunt the same day you use them. You can't help anyone hunt while you're using it. And anyone that sees the video can't hunt the same day they see the video either.

Where did you copy this from? I have not seen this

 

Where did you copy this from? I have not seen this

I didn't copy it at all. I wrote those regulations myself, and would hope that the same or very similar regulations would be required before drones are allowed to be used for hunting.

BTW .... I edited my proposed regulations a bit, to take out some of the "gray" areas for those that may interpret the regulations differently than they were intended.

 

I'll tell you what, on the hunting club I belong to are several areas with spoil piles from the limestone quarrying operations that went on there nearly a century ago. These places are flat out nasty and pretty much unhuntable but for around the edges. I think it would be a blast to have the opportunity to try to see just what's in there.

That being said, even if you could spot deer that doesn't mean you could just waltz on in there and get 'em for the reasons above. It's very easy to get hurt in there, and if you did drop a deer, how in the world would you get it out? That's when you'd need a helicopter!

If you're interested in seeing what the place looks like and you have Google Earth, just search for Hillsville, PA. Go a little south and west and look for a long, skinny quarry lake that runs along State Line Rd. (The western edge of our property abuts the OH/PA border). On the east side of that lake is an area we call No Man's Land, and that's exactly what it is.

 

I'm not for or against using new technology. I think using the term "drone" is a bit overkill. In reality, what anyone could afford and use in the field would be a remote control hovering craft, or helicopter; all with a GoPro or other type of small, live streaming device. RC planes and helicopters and other small flying devices have been around a long time, this is nothing new. Drone is a nice catch phrase everyone likes to use. When I think of a Drone, I'm thinking a rather large unmanned aircraft that can reach very high altitudes, go long distances and require an airstrip for takeoff and landing. Sure the military has small hand held and hand launched units that they call Drones, but they are in reality just RC planes and hover type units, no different than something that has been available in RC stores and even toy stores for years. So those RC racecars and RC offroad cars are drones now? People mount small cameras on those too. So I guess if I had a small RC offroad car and put a GoPro on it to check out the fields that would now be considered a Drone?

So let me play Devil's Advocate for a minute; a lot of people said using a "drone" to scout game is unethical and not sportsmanlike. Ok, opinions are not right or wrong, they are what someone believes and I respect that. But let me put this out there. If using a RC hovering craft with a camera is unethical or not sportsmanlike; then how about we don't use ANYTHING that gives us an advantage in the woods. Ready for the list? No more game cameras; no tree stands; no GPS; no thinsulate, gortex or waterproof clothing; no binoculars; no high tech sunglasses; no high powered rifles or scopes; how about no GUNS at all; no crossbows or compound bows; nothing with Scentlock; no animal calls at all, you have to use your mouth; no feeding stations for deer; no duck or deer blinds; no pocket handwarmers; AND..... this list could go on. If you want to be ethical and sportsmanlike, go out in the wild and hunt with a rock or a club, now that is being real. Think about all the crap you wear or take with you on a hunt, now don't use any of that at all. This puts us back on level with the original Native Americans before firearms. Now that's hunting, it's ethical and sportsmanlike. So yeah I'm being Devil's Advocate here but just think of all the stuff that gives you an advantage in the field; now don't use any of it at all. Oh, I almost forgot; you can use a bow and arrow, you just have to make one like the Native Americans did. Now what can you bag without all your "modern" stuff?

Here's a video of some mobile drone units. Some people fish, some hunt, some take pictures, some collect comic books, some play with expensive toys, to each their own, Enjoy!

Go Pro HUGE RC HOUSE JUMP - YouTube

Sure RC helos have been around a longtime,but have you ever tried to fly one? These new quad rotor deals are a whole different animal. Cheap and easy to fly hence the proliferation.