It's about time for someone to come out with a new straight wall cartridge for deer hunting, we got the 450 Bushmaster first then the 350 Legend, in my opinion they should have made it standard 35 caliber .358 and not .357. Has anyone heard of anything in the works/
fireline
Its a pretty limited market, and with manufacturers still playing catch up with a lot of rounds they probably aren’t ready to give any lines for something so limited just yet. But I do think we’ve yet to find the “perfect” straight wall deer round.
The 375Win loaded with spitzer tyoe bullets is about close to perfect Ohio gun as you can get. I’ve never had a chance to experiment with .405 Winchester, but .375 cal bullets are just about maximum bearing surface / weight ration practical. The next breakthrough in straight walls will come in form of powder. There is only so much you can do with straight walls.
A guy at Double D precision arms has one he's calling the 44 predator, he's working on getting it out there. guess more info would be on their Facebook page.
I had a bolt action about 10yrs ago. A .44 Rhino based on 308 case. Basically rimless 444. Get a Wildcat manual and you will see there ain’t much that hasn’t been done as far as different lengths in straight cases. Only differences are rim or in some belted cases.
A couple years back I mounted scopes on pair of Ruger 77/44s. 2x7 Leupolds. Winchester White box
240gr ammo. At same time was doing a Ruger 44 carbine and Marlin 1894. These two didn’t have as expensive scopes as 77/44s, still not junk. I sight 44s in for 60yds unless otherwise specified. Those 77/44s were shooting 5shot/1” groups. This is best I’ve seen out of any 44s. I would but one proviso on that. I’m wondering what a Remington 788 in 44mag would do? It might be ultimate Ohio deer gun.
At average distance most deer are shot down in my area, 44mag will cover it nicely.
240gr ammo. At same time was doing a Ruger 44 carbine and Marlin 1894. These two didn’t have as expensive scopes as 77/44s, still not junk. I sight 44s in for 60yds unless otherwise specified. Those 77/44s were shooting 5shot/1” groups. This is best I’ve seen out of any 44s. I would but one proviso on that. I’m wondering what a Remington 788 in 44mag would do? It might be ultimate Ohio deer gun.
At average distance most deer are shot down in my area, 44mag will cover it nicely.
There's enough around now to harvest deer..... it would be one more ammo not on the shelves .... I'm sure when things slow in sales , something new will come out to sale to people that just have to have the latest thing
The ammo manf only have X number of machines. For example when they shut down a run of 308 brass they loose production. It takes time to retool for another cartridge. Less time if cartridge is based on same case head. Some cartridges with odd case heads, like 35 Rem they will phase out.
Right now they are selling para military ammo hand over fist. They don’t want to loose time on any annual sales type hunting ammo. The computer that is suppose to give you more choices will be what shuts down manufacture of your favorite cartridge, not enough volume - not enough profit.
Right now they are selling para military ammo hand over fist. They don’t want to loose time on any annual sales type hunting ammo. The computer that is suppose to give you more choices will be what shuts down manufacture of your favorite cartridge, not enough volume - not enough profit.
I agree, but last year I shot at doe last day, 35 yd and deer ran off, searched for 2 hours no blood, no deer, went back to stand , examined the shot and there was small branch about 20' in front of me that really did not look like anything thru scope but I guess I nicked it and threw bullet off. Otherwise I have killed with it before and wonder if I need to worry about a small bullet being deflected. ??
I agree and tested it the same day, 35 yd and missed center by 3/4" so it had to be the branch but it sure shakes your confidence. I use a scope cause of my eyeglasses as open sites I cannot get focus on one end or the other. And yes I have chopped wood with a shotgun and slugs trying to get a shot in heavy cover, stupid waste of time.
So far in my ruger 44 carbine been shooting 300gr jacketed soft points..... got similar in 240gr. That I haven't put on paper..... I imagine might fly a little flatter unless the powder charge compensates for the heavier bullet they use..... probably should see one day
Mine has the magazine, not the tube fed ..... Deerfield?
Mine has the magazine, not the tube fed ..... Deerfield?
I am a hunting and shooting enthusiest, so keep records of the deer harvested with our SW rifles.
In the past 8 seasons starting in 2014, our family of 6 (includes in-laws) have harvested
18 deer with .44 mags
7 deer with .375 Win
9 deer with .450 BM
1 deer with .44 Special.
The .44 Special was obviously shot thru a 44 rifle, has very very little recoil, and will harvest a deer at 35-50 yards with rifle velocities. It was only used to start a young child hunting and not used since.
During the shotgun slug era, I started my kids (8-10 yrs old accompanied with adult hunter) shooting muzzleloaders with 50 grains of powder, sabot bullet, and kept distances 25-50 yards.
It is so much more interesting and enjoyable now shooting SW rifles.
In the past 8 seasons starting in 2014, our family of 6 (includes in-laws) have harvested
18 deer with .44 mags
7 deer with .375 Win
9 deer with .450 BM
1 deer with .44 Special.
The .44 Special was obviously shot thru a 44 rifle, has very very little recoil, and will harvest a deer at 35-50 yards with rifle velocities. It was only used to start a young child hunting and not used since.
During the shotgun slug era, I started my kids (8-10 yrs old accompanied with adult hunter) shooting muzzleloaders with 50 grains of powder, sabot bullet, and kept distances 25-50 yards.
It is so much more interesting and enjoyable now shooting SW rifles.
The 45-70 and 444 can do whatever is needed in Ohio. Both have decent range with great knock down power.
I just use a .357
Buffalo bore ammo, hard cast 180 grain bullet in a short little lever action with peep sights. At 40 yards it went through both shoulders of a big buck and kept going. It's been good enough for me, plus it's fun plinking with .38 special in the off season.
Buffalo bore ammo, hard cast 180 grain bullet in a short little lever action with peep sights. At 40 yards it went through both shoulders of a big buck and kept going. It's been good enough for me, plus it's fun plinking with .38 special in the off season.
You know the truth of it is shot placement . I have hunted in WV my entire life. There I have shot an extreme range of rifle calibers . The 3030 to the 06and 280Rem. Several odd calibers as well 257 Roberts 6mm Rem.and my newest this year a 6mm Creedmore. Everyone of them has been in the same situation as my Ohio rifles they all kill deer when the shot placement is where it needs to be . In ohio my 45/70 the 44 mag and .357 mag lever guns have all killed deer as fast as my rifles I use in WV and I tell ya the 45/70 is an absolute deer hammer!.The brush gun story is just that none of them are worth a **** shooting through brush but some are easier to handle in brushy environments . If it's not an ethical shot why are you trying to take it to begin with . In ohio I have seen shots with the 350 taken that amazed me they were shots I would frequently take with my 45/70 but the key to the success was the fact that the shooters could shoot . The direct result of practice and knowing your limitation not so much as the caliber. Find a caliber you can shoot well and shoot it often and the results will be quite satisfying .
"Ammo manf are making a mint on “Specialty’s” which are nothing more than ammo in a fancy box. There is nothing that makes up for poor shooting. Shooting from a rest with a scope isn’t practice, it just proves your gun is sighted in."
lol,,,, good reading.
And what did our ancestors use to war & hunt, for like 200 years?
No jackets on that lead,,,,, & what were the velocities? (oh no,,, back to that buffalo 45/70?)
Way back, I hunted Kittanning with a bunch of locals. They all had bench rests mounted in the back of their trucks.?
10- maybe 12 shots rang out from their 30-06 & 300 mags,,,,, & finally, that deer that was bedded on the hillside beyond the next valley got up & fell over!
They were elated! ALL kinds of high-fives!
And there I was.
I got a pacemaker about 40 years ago & it had to go in my shooting shoulder. Dr said, 'No more rifles, No more shotguns!!' DAMN, I SCREAMED,,,,
Ya right.
So Go ahead guys,,,,
just ask my friends how many deer I killed since then,, in 2 states, with my pea-shooting .410 pump,, with 1/5th oz of lead!
That's why I don't really understand any of this " need another caliber" stuff.
(but I'm sure you noticed how I'm trying to sneak in a .350 L. Should be easier to reload. ;>)
lol,,,, good reading.
And what did our ancestors use to war & hunt, for like 200 years?
No jackets on that lead,,,,, & what were the velocities? (oh no,,, back to that buffalo 45/70?)
Way back, I hunted Kittanning with a bunch of locals. They all had bench rests mounted in the back of their trucks.?
10- maybe 12 shots rang out from their 30-06 & 300 mags,,,,, & finally, that deer that was bedded on the hillside beyond the next valley got up & fell over!
They were elated! ALL kinds of high-fives!
And there I was.
I got a pacemaker about 40 years ago & it had to go in my shooting shoulder. Dr said, 'No more rifles, No more shotguns!!' DAMN, I SCREAMED,,,,
Ya right.
So Go ahead guys,,,,
just ask my friends how many deer I killed since then,, in 2 states, with my pea-shooting .410 pump,, with 1/5th oz of lead!
That's why I don't really understand any of this " need another caliber" stuff.
(but I'm sure you noticed how I'm trying to sneak in a .350 L. Should be easier to reload. ;>)
Pass through, double collapsed lungs = dead deer ..... most bullets will do that allowed by the state presently..... I'm good with what we have now..... dang Arthur in my shoulders don't like arms being extended with no weight , why no more 12 ga. shotgun ..... and yes I use a rest for the animals sake..... meat hunter ,don't need to brag..... those days are past
Let us not forget the big game in Ohio was shot out to extinction before Ohio became a state (1803) Most game killed with muzzle loaders of 40cal or less.
The 50 cal and bigger weren’t needed until there was western expansion. Grizzly, elk and Buffalo needed a bigger hunk of lead.
Im as guilty as the next guy. I don’t think a year has gone by that I haven’t seen a big buck that was way out of range, especially for a slug. Hollywood has everyone believing that a 45/70 is a long range gun. Most of the Ohio legal rifles aren’t much better than a slug for range. The accuracy is a lot better.
The 50 cal and bigger weren’t needed until there was western expansion. Grizzly, elk and Buffalo needed a bigger hunk of lead.
Im as guilty as the next guy. I don’t think a year has gone by that I haven’t seen a big buck that was way out of range, especially for a slug. Hollywood has everyone believing that a 45/70 is a long range gun. Most of the Ohio legal rifles aren’t much better than a slug for range. The accuracy is a lot better.
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