well, it wasnt easy learning how to do it just by reading. seems like its something thats easier if you can see it done, but now i have it and i am ready. i will be setting out tip-ups for the first time this coming winter. i will be spooling up with a heavy black dacron line. i will tie a barrel swivel on, then a flurocarbon leader about 3 or 4' long and then rig my livebait at the end of the leader. i will set my tip ups in a variety of break depths, to try to locate feeding fish. if anyone wants to give any pointers or advice, i would like to hear what you have to say. i would like to know if you usually gut hook the fish with tip ups as i am mostly a c/r fisherman and would like to avoid that. i cant wait to give it a shot.