havn't tried the jiggin spoons yet. But I have done good at the roadbed on the Jackson hole side with gitzits. I toss them out in about 12 to 14 feet and let them fall. They have that spiral fall. The small mouth love it. Also I toss the same tube into the weeds up there. I let it fall into the weeds and then pull it loose. Thats when I get the bite. I will try the spoons and the deeper cranks. I like a deep tiny N, a norman bait. It only runs about 4 feet on 8lb test. It has been working good when the bass are shallow. I have to go out someday and put a caroline rig together and just stay with it. I need to make it work. Thanks again. I also tried the vib-e for the smalleys and eyes at the roadbed. No luck.