I just wanted to take a minute to thank everyone who has put up with me enough to teach me a few things. I have really learned a lot of stuff from this site. I value wild fish more and im learning to respect carp. Not to metion all of the small stuff from everyday threads. Iv been trying not to argue and i thank Dale and shakedown(and others) for being patient with me. I also have to thank Fishman for correcting all of my gammer (go ahead i know there is some here) even though he never helped me at college.lol... You get a group of fishermen togather and you will have different views, but you can only learn from it. I think i am going to start listening a little more and try talk less. Im not stupid but i know im not smarter than all of you togather. No one is. So thanks guys.