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My 1 ac. pond, formerly a small soup bowl shaped "frog pond" could not be dug out since it was mostly sand and gravel and chances were very good it would never "hold water"(unless it was lined w/clay--cost prohibitive!) I've wanted a pond since a young kid, sooo 30 yrs ago, we hauled in dirt(mostly bank-run) and raised the sides. I "rocked" nearby ag fields to put around the edges to help hold the banks til well established. We were only able to get a max depth of 6-7 feet in the middle. Over the years, we've put everything from gills to walleye in there for fishing diversity(NOT a good "textbook" stocking recommendation!) Since I aererate 24/7/365, everything survived(to my knowledge)-even a few nice cats and even some "wipers" from the Ohio river. Even with substantial cover around shore, I'm sure the walleye didn't reproduce since no young ones have been caught or observed. A larger pond with enough "wind/wave action" into shore Can allow reproduction however. The wave action causes enough "current/movement" to keep eggs from silting in which is why don't make it. Most of the inland lakes with walleye get plenty of wind and some do get "limited amounts" of reproduction. WB is one good example.
 

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I would like to see a sign of an eye...as I stated before ita just so hard to fish...where are the eyes?got one area is 150ft deep then theres area where its 10 or less feet deep.. it's hard to troll cause of this issue..my best bet is to jig for them if I could get away from the dang bass...see alot.i mean alot of chad..not a good sign but also a good one.either they have plenty of food or the walleye didnt make it.lol.the eyes got to be a real good size..4 years ago I stocked the eyes..I'm just gonna have to put the hours in this fall I guess....

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I have a 1/3 acre pond, 12 feet deep, stocked 2 walleye to see if they lived, I know they didn’t die bc they would’ve floated up, there is plenty of food, at night u can walk across the pond bc of all the shiners, haven’t caught them in 1 1/2 year, I have tried many lures, live bait, crawler harness, jigging, not sure why we haven’t caught them, any suggestions, there is also plenty of structure in the pond, brush piles, rock piles, and an areator, any ideas are appreciated
 

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I have a 1/3 acre pond, 12 feet deep, stocked 2 walleye to see if they lived, I know they didn’t die bc they would’ve floated up, there is plenty of food, at night u can walk across the pond bc of all the shiners, haven’t caught them in 1 1/2 year, I have tried many lures, live bait, crawler harness, jigging, not sure why we haven’t caught them, any suggestions, there is also plenty of structure in the pond, brush piles, rock piles, and an areator, any ideas are appreciated
As for ur issue I can not help cause I cant find any in this lake I stocked.lol.104 eyes in there.never seen floaters...101 walleye and 3 sauger I put in...never to be seen again.loltons of bait too..unbeleivable

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Just my 2 cents worth. If I had what you have I'd be stocking 50 to 75 5 to 7 inch walleyes a year along with 20 pounds of flathead minnows at the same time. I wouldn't give up yet. I also would say that there's still a good number of eyes from your first stocking swimming around in your lake..
 

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not all fish float when dead. if they die at a deeper depth and the air bladder isn't fully inflated, many sink. I hope the walleyes are there though!
 

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Been awhile since I posted on this thread.but I'm gonna see if I can jig up a few of those walleye tomarrow....4 yrs in they gotta be a good size...I also threw I think 4 sauger in the lake 2 yrs ago...they made the trip back from the Ohio river so I dropped them off in there...

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johnboy " not all fish float when dead."

FWIW,,,
So many of 'your' (everybody's) pond questions, can simply be answered with the purchase of a SNORKEL, MASK & FINS! ;>)

My Sportsman Club now owns about 1500+- acres with 4 large 100-250 acre stocked strip lakes,,, plus 3 small, deep 'ponds'.

I snorkeled there, most of my life,,, I probably covered every sq ft in 3 of those lakes.
Some of my observations;
We/ the club would stock thousands of white bass for summer time fishing , & 2 months later they would all be gone. I would dive down & find them all over the bottom, DEAD. We're STILL not totally sure why. maybe Heat?
Pond/ lake building?
#1 mistake.?
In the beginning, the strip pits were totally void of weeds & structure. So The board decided to plant aqua grasses. Oooops WRONG TYPE OF GRASS!?
It didn't take many years for the crystal clear water to allow those 'grasses' to choke the WHOLE LAKE! Those healthy sun-soaked grasses grew all the way down to the bottom,,,, 33' DEEP!
Now, we couldn't bottom fish at all! We couldn't even cast! heck,,,, we couldn't even get a boat through the surface crap/ carpets in mid-summer! (lol,,, like fishing Mosquito AFTER a bass contest!!!;>)
& We had so many cattails choking the shallow 20 acre flats,,,, back by our overflow, that the lake would over-fill causing dock issues. The water elevation kept getting higher & higher each year.
#2 mistake? Then came $$$$$ Chemicals. Trying to slow those weeds down. NOPE, that didn't work! Just 'Throwing the money away'! Years & Years of treatment didn't put a dent in them!
#3 ??? Next came the OVER stocking of amurs,,,,, (hey Gary, was it 500 or 1000!!?)
THEY WORKED AWESOME! But, THEY ATE EVERYTHING!
The last time I dove down deep, I couldn't find a SPECK of grass! & NOT 1 CATTAIL ANYWHERE!
#4,,,, Now, in order to MAKE SOME STRUCTURE, THE 'BOARD' decided to drop trees into the lake!? WHAT!??? (Another one I completely disagree with,,, I would NEVER place anything in the water that decomposes). These strip pits already have 3'-4' THICK BLACK DECAYING MUCK ALL ACROSS THE BOTTOM! There use to be thousands of crabs, millions of snails & hundreds of clams,,,, there WAS zillions of baby minnows swimming around in schools.
#5 ??? Now, the board wants the members to completely RID the lake of those amurs. (Many 4'ers. are being caught & SHOT) I shake my head at that decision too.
I say,,,, keep tabs on the amount being caught, & re-place SOME per acre of water, in the other smaller weed-choked quarries.

Well,,,,,, On & On,,,,
I posted this whole mess story so some of you POND/ LAKE BUILDERS have some different view points of what to do,,,,,, & WHAT CAN GO WRONG.

BTW,,,, some of the walleye that were stocked years ago,,,, they ARE reproducing. :>)
 

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johnboy " not all fish float when dead."

FWIW,,,
So many of 'your' (everybody's) pond questions, can simply be answered with the purchase of a SNORKEL, MASK & FINS! ;>)

My Sportsman Club now owns about 1500+- acres with 4 large 100-250 acre stocked strip lakes,,, plus 3 small, deep 'ponds'.

I snorkeled there, most of my life,,, I probably covered every sq ft in 3 of those lakes.
Some of my observations;
We/ the club would stock thousands of white bass for summer time fishing , & 2 months later they would all be gone. I would dive down & find them all over the bottom, DEAD. We're STILL not totally sure why. maybe Heat?
Pond/ lake building?
#1 mistake.?
In the beginning, the strip pits were totally void of weeds & structure. So The board decided to plant aqua grasses. Oooops WRONG TYPE OF GRASS!?
It didn't take many years for the crystal clear water to allow those 'grasses' to choke the WHOLE LAKE! Those healthy sun-soaked grasses grew all the way down to the bottom,,,, 33' DEEP!
Now, we couldn't bottom fish at all! We couldn't even cast! heck,,,, we couldn't even get a boat through the surface crap/ carpets in mid-summer! (lol,,, like fishing Mosquito AFTER a bass contest!!!;>)
& We had so many cattails choking the shallow 20 acre flats,,,, back by our overflow, that the lake would over-fill causing dock issues. The water elevation kept getting higher & higher each year.
#2 mistake? Then came $$$$$ Chemicals. Trying to slow those weeds down. NOPE, that didn't work! Just 'Throwing the money away'! Years & Years of treatment didn't put a dent in them!
#3 ??? Next came the OVER stocking of amurs,,,,, (hey Gary, was it 500 or 1000!!?)
THEY WORKED AWESOME! But, THEY ATE EVERYTHING!
The last time I dove down deep, I couldn't find a SPECK of grass! & NOT 1 CATTAIL ANYWHERE!
#4,,,, Now, in order to MAKE SOME STRUCTURE, THE 'BOARD' decided to drop trees into the lake!? WHAT!??? (Another one I completely disagree with,,, I would NEVER place anything in the water that decomposes). These strip pits already have 3'-4' THICK BLACK DECAYING MUCK ALL ACROSS THE BOTTOM! There use to be thousands of crabs, millions of snails & hundreds of clams,,,, there WAS zillions of baby minnows swimming around in schools.
#5 ??? Now, the board wants the members to completely RID the lake of those amurs. (Many 4'ers. are being caught & SHOT) I shake my head at that decision too.
I say,,,, keep tabs on the amount being caught, & re-place SOME per acre of water, in the other smaller weed-choked quarries.

Well,,,,,, On & On,,,,
I posted this whole mess story so some of you POND/ LAKE BUILDERS have some different view points of what to do,,,,,, & WHAT CAN GO WRONG.

BTW,,,, some of the walleye that were stocked years ago,,,, they ARE reproducing. :>)
Great post. I think that the moral of the story, and the predominant issue with many people (on this website, internet, facebook, ect) is that they are not biologists and do not understand biology, let along fisheries biology.
As a rule of thumb on many of my posts I provide information, but shy away from advice when dealing with biological issues. Being a fisheries biologist was my second career choice ( settled on teaching Language arts). I am very well versed on Biology and my LA background helps me retain information from very complex texts. This being said I AM NOT A BIOLOGIST! It is beyond me how someone can spout an opinion as fact and make a decision or suggestion based on ZERO scientific information. I will step down off my soap box now. Still waiting for those eyes to show up in this thread!

Side note, the white bass that had died in the previous post may have died from either a lack of oxygen (hypoxia) in the summer ( they have higher oxygen needs than many other fish) and they are nearly continuously moving and eating. A lake of that size also may not have supported enough open water food sources. White bass are not equipped to hunt in the shallows as ambush predators.
 

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From what I gather here, is that you can stock a lake all you want. But until that lake has the proper balance of oxygen, vegetation, cover, forage, etc...then a return rate may be more likely to occur.

"If you build it, they will come."
That is correct! The problem is what is proper and what is not and how you know these things. Use the KISS method and most people will be ok. measure oxygen levels and water temps in the late summer and use them as a baseline for what can survive and what can not. Largemouth, sometimes small mouth, cat fish, sunfish and crappie usually make it.
 

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johnboy, Right on.
"I am very well versed on Biology and my LA background helps me retain information from very complex texts. This being said I AM NOT A BIOLOGIST! It is beyond me how someone can spout an opinion as fact and make a decision or suggestion based on ZERO scientific information. I will step down off my soap box now. "

"Side note, the white bass that had died in the previous post may have died from either a lack of oxygen (hypoxia) in the summer ( they have higher oxygen needs than many other fish) and they are nearly continuously moving and eating. A lake of that size also may not have supported enough open water food sources. White bass are not equipped to hunt in the shallows as ambush predators."


THEY, the club's board of directors, HAVE NEVER STOCKED/ REPLENISHED the BAITFISH.

I for one, absolutely LOVE IT when a said 'biologist', with a degree or not, SPOUTS OFF, & teaches us WHY.
PLEASE 'spout off' more.
Thanks



(I'm getting old,,,, but through the years, I've had a million hobbies. I'm one that's gotta try everything.
lol,,, 'Jack of all trades, but really good at NOTHING'! ;>)
& Bummer is, I FORGOT 90% of it. Once in a while I get a flashback! lol, again!)

Back when, I built a bunch of ponds & small lakes,,,, I watched some of them 'grow, & then watched some of them slowly DIE'.
Too much run-off entering the pond,,,,,
eventually too much vegetation building bottom choking muck.
No bottom flushing drains, NOT ENOUGH FORAGE FISH.
Too warm & lack of oxygen,,,
a few just to start.

"From what I gather here, is that you can stock a lake all you want. But until that lake has the proper balance of oxygen, vegetation, cover, forage, etc...
that's when a return rate may be more likely to occur."
 

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Let me re phrase that..never seen any floaters sinkers or swimmers....Bermuda triangle stuff going on..lol need a biologist to explain that..

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Let me re phrase that..never seen any floaters sinkers or swimmers....Bermuda triangle stuff going on..lol need a biologist to explain that..

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I put them in anywhere between 7-9 inches and that one measured 18inches.seems like a normal growth.

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