are these things non existent at this lake or something, been there a few times. from the south shore and the docks areas within the last 2 months using chicken liver and night crawlers caught a few carp and 1 tiny cat in all. i might just be in the wrong place maybe?. the thick weeds are also a problem if anyone else has done any fishing from the bank you would notice. i real in 20 pounds of weeds per ounce of fish i catch it seems.