[ezbite]

I’ve got a couple red dots that are 3 MOA, vortex came out with one that’s 6 MOA now, if I’m correct the means it’s bigger inside the glass? A bigger dot? I’m getting older and I think a larger dot would benefit me. Any thoughts about a 6 over a 3 MOA dot, oh it for my CCW GLOCK

 

[Lil' Rob]

Quick google search...yep bigger dot in your view...

 

[CFIden]

I just use iron's. But I was going to put one on my EDC I'd go with the bigger one.

 

[M R DUCKS]

yes, this is how I interpreted it, think of it as….6 moa covers 6” at 100 yards, 3” at 50, 1.5” at 25, etc.….for a pistol, I think a “larger” moa dot wouldn’t be an issue. On a deer gun or something used a bit further, then maybe so.

 

[M.Magis]

The larger dot is easier to see and get on target quickly. Perfect for a carry gun for those that like electronic sights.

 

[Howland 937]

They've pretty well covered it, but one thing I'd mention for your consideration. I've found that with astigmatism in my dominant eye, red dots look like red commas. Green doesn't seem nearly as distorted for me...and I've switched to all "circle dot" on the ones that are equipped with optics.

not my pic

The circle works faster for me I've found.

 

[Dovans]

I've not seen a circle one before. Wow. that would be faster.

 

[Howland 937]

I've not seen a circle one before. Wow. that would be faster.

That exact circle dot is used in the Swampfox Kingslayers. I've got 3 of them now and I really like them. Several brightness settings and don't have to remove optic to replace battery (something else the OP should consider)

The TX22 competition in the top part of the case has one on it. 3moa dot with circle. The M&P 15-22 has a UTG that's a circle with 3moa dot, switchable red or green and a larger reticle. 30mm vs 22mm on the pistol. It has a solid aluminum frame that wraps around it for protection in that pic, but I took it off. Too bulky.

 

[fastwater]

Everyone is different but the KISS theory(keep it simple stupid) is my take when it comes to self defense sights.
Here's my take(and it's worth exactly what you paid for it).

Seems the older I get (eyes really jacked up. Near sighted one eye...far sighted other) ...when it comes to speed and combat/self defense shooting...less is better regardless of sights when it comes to the speed my eyes/brain focus on sight picture/target and getting accurate hits. The less clutter I have in the reticle...especially with illuminated sites...the faster I can get on target. Think this is the norm for most anybody regardless of eyesight when it comes to accuracy and speed and getting on target.
In self defense shooting...dont need/want a bunch of extra illuminated circles,hash marks etc drawing eye away from the most important center dot on the reticle/target. Want that illuminated single dot to automatically draw my brain/sight and focus center mass on target.

Having had illuminated mildot rifle scopes, I've found that the more illuminated clutter in the scope...the longer it takes the brain to sort things out as far as scope picture and target. Even with hunting I've learned that I dont want a bunch of clutter lighting up with eyes/brain having to sort things out.
Obviously...in self defense shooting...'time' is the utmost factor so I only want a single illuminated dot for dominant eye to pick up on... which for me...equals much faster sight/target acquisition.
Don't have any 6moa so can't comment on them.
Though not on cc pistols...do have a couple 3moa dots (with brightness control) that I've ran many combat courses with over the years and thankfully...can still get on a man silohuette with decent speed. And the single dot enables quick...double/triple tap shots which are mandatory in various stages of these combat courses.
Moral of the story...when it comes to self defense shooting...if I were to equip my CCW with an illuminated sight, it would be a single dot. But again, cant comment on the 6moa versus the 3

 

[Popspastime]

I agree with you Fastw on all the above, simple is much faster, especially in a combat or defense situation. Unless your a top trained machine that practices daily and relentlessly target/sight speed comes slowly. I think the 6 MOA was mainly designed for shotgun use more then pistol / rifle. Remember a looong time ago Red Dot came out with the sight for shotguns? Then shortly after the sight for rifle and pistol with the finer dot.

 

[Howland 937]

Obviously...in self defense shooting...'time' is the utmost factor so I only want a single illuminated dot for dominant eye to pick up on... which for me...equals much faster sight/target acquisition.

I've found the opposite to be true for me. At short distance the circle is a big dot itself, so I don't need to see the little one in the middle. Admittedly, mine are for games. My carry gun has no optic because I don't fully trust my life to electronics and batteries.

 

[Doboy]

EZ,,,, the 6moa that your talking about, does it have multiple power settings?


I now have dots, or dots with an illuminated cross-hair recital on just about everything i own,,, from low-light varmint hunting, down to pellet rat-poppers & our X-bows.
I started out with a 3mm dot in a 1" tube, then I bought some cheap 30 mm red dot tubes & never turned back.
Now, I mostly mount 40mm tubes with 3moa. Well defined dots, with VERY QUICK acquisition. (yes, a 30 or even a 40mm tube 'can't' work well on a CC, but it sure is awesome for a night walk, around the house,,, when you can't see any x-hairs. ;>)

My first reddot went on my rabbit jumping .410 shotgun. Two eyes open.
Nothing, that I found, was faster. Running deer didn't have a chance.
Same deal with my first .22 Ruger MK11. Again, low light, two eyes.
With the 3 moa dot, on the highest #6 setting in very bright sunlight, I get quite a bit of blur around the outside of the dot.
It'll pert-near look like a 6.
Because of that thinking, I would never buy a 6moa dot scope. ?
I'd actually like to look through & compare a 6 moa in bright sunlight, especially if it had the 5-6 additional power settings.

To me,,,, the deciding feature would be what the dot looks like in bright sun light.
& How much of the target/ bull, does the dot 'blur' cover at 50yds+. '0' magnification.

 

[Saugeye Tom]

Everyone is different but the KISS theory(keep it simple stupid) is my take when it comes to self defense sights.
Here's my take(and it's worth exactly what you paid for it).

Seems the older I get (eyes really jacked up. Near sighted one eye...far sighted other) ...when it comes to speed and combat/self defense shooting...less is better regardless of sights when it comes to the speed my eyes/brain focus on sight picture/target and getting accurate hits. The less clutter I have in the reticle...especially with illuminated sites...the faster I can get on target. Think this is the norm for most anybody regardless of eyesight when it comes to accuracy and speed and getting on target.
In self defense shooting...dont need/want a bunch of extra illuminated circles,hash marks etc drawing eye away from the most important center dot on the reticle/target. Want that illuminated single dot to automatically draw my brain/sight and focus center mass on target.

Having had illuminated mildot rifle scopes, I've found that the more illuminated clutter in the scope...the longer it takes the brain to sort things out as far as scope picture and target. Even with hunting I've learned that I dont want a bunch of clutter lighting up with eyes/brain having to sort things out.
Obviously...in self defense shooting...'time' is the utmost factor so I only want a single illuminated dot for dominant eye to pick up on... which for me...equals much faster sight/target acquisition.
Don't have any 6moa so can't comment on them.
Though not on cc pistols...do have a couple 3moa dots (with brightness control) that I've ran many combat courses with over the years and thankfully...can still get on a man silohuette with decent speed. And the single dot enables quick...double/triple tap shots which are mandatory in various stages of these combat courses.
Moral of the story...when it comes to self defense shooting...if I were to equip my CCW with an illuminated sight, it would be a single dot. But again, cant comment on the 6moa versus the 3

The fastest way to acquire a target in a self defense situation is to draw, facing the perp, hold your firearm center mass on your sternum. face the attacker and empty the mag, your center mass facing them is their center mass. just my 2 cents worth

 

[Jim white]

The fastest way to acquire a target in a self defense situation is to draw, facing the perp, hold your firearm center mass on your sternum. face the attacker and empty the mag, your center mass facing them is their center mass. just my 2 cents worth

Sounds right for most people but I'd say all that depends on the size of both people involved 👍

 

[Drm50]

I don’t know squat about Red Dots. I just gave my boy a m41 S&W 7”. This is a 1994 model that has been D&Ted for a Weaver base. I just gave him pistol yesterday and he is wanting Red Dot. The rest of his crowd all have Red Dots on mostly Ruger Marks. They shoot at indoor ranges a good bit. I want to know a good RD that isn’t crazy priced.

 

[Doboy]

I don’t know squat about Red Dots. I just gave my boy a m41 S&W 7”. This is a 1994 model that has been D&Ted for a Weaver base. I just gave him pistol yesterday and he is wanting Red Dot. The rest of his crowd all have Red Dots on mostly Ruger Marks. They shoot at indoor ranges a good bit. I want to know a good RD that isn’t crazy priced.

FWIW,,,, That's exactly how I started using them on pistols. Sportsman club, indoor range,,,, lots of kids,,, & they loved that dot..
I must have easily ordered a dozen 30 & 40mm tubes by now.
For All of my stuff, plus my whole family & some friends that I hunt with.
Saying it again, from .22s to .410s. .44s, 2- 20g, even my first 12g, and now, some of my varmint stuff.
I have never paid more than $30 for those short 30s & 40mms. & We're talking over 30+ years of service.
Out of all of those purchases, WE only had one RD that had a minute problem,,,,, the rheostat knob was a tad too tight to turn,, in the cold with gloves on, for my daughter. I swapped hers, for one of mine.

If anybody cares,,, I bet I can dig up 6-7 boxes from the RD scopes that I ordered in the past. Take a pic & show ya. 90% Ebay.
AGAIN,,, less than $30e.
What Drm50 said,,,
IF the RDs that I bought many years ago at $30 are still working fine,,,,, why the hec are so many priced at $300!? ;>) I like to help to keep prices down.
Matter of fact,, many years ago, WV Cabellas had a close-out on those cheap, silver, BSA 30mm RD. I bought 2, & my friend bought 2,,, at $15 each. & They are still going strong.

Here's 2 examples. Hundreds of rounds through these two,,, massive abuse. my first hunting wheel gun, to my Sheridan chipmunk slayer.
Close out Ebay sale on this old Pro Point, about $29. I'd say, this .44 mag was a pretty good test.

To that $15 BSA. We wore out the seals in the gun,,, but the RD is still going strong.

 

[Jim white]

FWIW,,,, That's exactly how I started using them on pistols. Sportsman club, indoor range,,,, lots of kids,,, & they loved that dot..
I must have easily ordered a dozen 30 & 40mm tubes by now.
For All of my stuff, plus my whole family & some friends that I hunt with.
Saying it again, from .22s to .410s. .44s, 2- 20g, even my first 12g, and now, some of my varmint stuff.
I have never paid more than $30 for those short 30s & 40mms. & We're talking over 30+ years of service.
Out of all of those purchases, WE only had one RD that had a minute problem,,,,, the rheostat knob was a tad too tight to turn,, in the cold with gloves on, for my daughter. I swapped hers, for one of mine.

If anybody cares,,, I bet I can dig up 6-7 boxes from the RD scopes that I ordered in the past. Take a pic & show ya. 90% Ebay.
AGAIN,,, less than $30e.
What Drm50 said,,,
IF the RDs that I bought many years ago at $30 are still working fine,,,,, why the hec are so many priced at $300!? ;>) I like to help to keep prices down.
Matter of fact,, many years ago, WV Cabellas had a close-out on those cheap, silver, BSA 30mm RD. I bought 2, & my friend bought 2,,, at $15 each. & They are still going strong.

Here's 2 examples. Hundreds of rounds through these two,,, massive abuse. my first hunting wheel gun, to my Sheridan chipmunk slayer.
Close out Ebay sale on this old Pro Point, about $29. I'd say, this .44 mag was a pretty good test.
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To that $15 BSA. We wore out the seals in the gun,,, but the RD is still going strong. View attachment 507361

Just goes to show just because they're expensive doesn't mean they're better

 

[Drm50]

I don’t want one of those big bulky jobs, want similar to Ezee’s type. I just give boy $1200 pistol he can spring $100+ for decent RD.

 

[ezbite]

This is the one I’m thinking about, and yes I know it $100 cheaper on Amazon 😆

 

[Doboy]

I test the crap out of everything, so I buy cheap stuff on purpose. I'd say, I'm about 95% win-win.
"I can't get RICH, by making THEM richer!" ;>)

Change the name on these dots, & you got the same d''' thing.
tell ya what EZ,,, you try this one, & if you don't like it, i'll buy it back off of you the next time I see ya.
I need 2 more anyway,,,, for my kids Heritage .22 mags.

4,300+ reviews 4.5. $27 !! (read the reviews)

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Me,,,, before I retired.