Rattled in this buck on Oct 13th in a creek bottom. First trip out and hunted about an hour before he came in. A friend got a nice eight point about 2-weeks ago and his neck was as wide as his shoulders. Also, in regards to the rut, I seen a nice 140 chasing a doe last Friday, don't leave the woods, the game is on! Now all I can do is call for a friend of mine or try for a big doe to run through the grinder.