Last year while up at Pymatuning I noticed a few of the walleye crowd put some nice perch on the ice with 1/4 oz and 1/2 oz vibe es. I have been toying with the idea of using smaller ones thru the ice for crappie and perch. Long time ago I used Heddon Sonars , I had some luck on the 1/4 oz but never the 1/8 oz sonar. Since I do not fish for walleye I got away from the blade baits. They were catching enough perch to make me rethink my stance on blade baits. Any of you vibe e experts ever did any good on purpose with panfish ? The guys at pymatuning were not exactly thrilled that the perch wre keying om them that day.