Mike,Hey Jeremy, They are pulling around 3-8 feet. I am extremely new to this.. I'm making them out of cedar. The picture I posted on this thread are the first four i have ever done. I just figured out a system to get my lips are the same angle everytime. I checked out your stuff. Looks awesome. I am looking for a heaver epoxy.. are you using the diamond II epoxy. I bought some from Jann's but it's not has heavy as yours looks. Thanks for your help!