I couldn't find the thread but earlier I said that these hooks were OK (and inexpensive). I've changed my mind. They are junk. Not only are they shaped poorly (outer part comes up way too far, like the hooks on rattletraps) but they aren't even sharp. Lost a few decent ones lately and it was always these hooks. Gamakatsus and Owner Stingers are much much better. If you use the laser sharp, you will lose good fish due to them sooner or later and probably sooner.