dont forget, these guys are trying to get into northeast ohio. also, everytime you buy a TFO rod youre economically supporting a man who endorses taking away public fishing waters for private use. http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpa...5A15752C1A9629C8B63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=all HAVENS; The Lure Of Private Waters Members say they have found not only a private enclave where they can indulge their fishing habit, but a model for the future of fly-fishing, which has become a victim of its own success, with streams overpopulated by people and underpopulated by fish. "Not that there wasn't some grumbling along the river," said Lefty Kreh, at 80 an influential fishing writer and teacher, and a charter member of Spring Ridge. "A lot of these landowners had just opened up their streams to anyone with a fishing license before, and people began to think they were public waters."