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Discussion in 'Tournament Discussion' started by usc14, Mar 12, 2005.

  1. i think the bass clubs should be more global so to speak. they want you to pay a membership fee so most locals in the club can swipe your cash while you live 70miles away and get to prefish maybe 3 days at best while the hometown good ole boys fish the tarnation out of it. lets get a real competition going from rocky fork to grand lake to deleware to lake erie sandusky bay. i dont mean to sound ungrateful there are alot of good bass clubs in ohio but its mostly local. i say lets all make more of a challenge and triangulate the state tourny's. are there any guys out there who would do this? i know its hard to leave your local three lakes . im just sick of west branch mosquito berlin. type tourny"s. been there done that.we learn nothing by staying safe and local. the challenge of learning new lakes in a short period of time weeds out the weaklings. i can go out on my local 3 lakes and put up a good fight with any angler. if i cant i need to sell my flippin sticks. i know ill get bashed for this by everyone in here but im not being a smarta$$. im just trying to raise the bar for all of us to become better fisherman. i apologize to anyone i offend. you all have great clubs but i would like us to do more. just my 2 cents. peace , love and waterbeds
     
  2. ncraft150

    ncraft150 Buckeye-Basser

    I agree to an extent. The one thing you may not be taking into consideration is that the boaters are paying a lot for fuel. I can go to Erie ( 1 hour away) and easily spend $100 in fuel between the truck and boat. Also take into consideration the horsepower limitations on a lot of Ohios lakes. An NE Ohio bass club can't really justify going south or west other than maybe Tappen or Salt Fork. Now not only are you spending the money in fuel but a hotel as well. Maybe one a year, but clubs are designed to spend less money. Take a look at the toruny trails. They are moving around. Even out of state, but there is big money on the line and the true tourny angler will spend the money to try and earn more.
     

  3. Not sure if you've seen this, but if you don't mind the travel and want to up the competition, the new Bassmaster Series may be an option.

    Bassmaster Series
     
  4. Marshall

    Marshall Catch Photo And Release

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    That club you are talking about is all over the state you just have to look around. Here in central ohio i can't think of many clubs that doesn't fish lake erie at least once a season. Most clubs around here fish exactly like you want. They may hit alum then rocky fork, then grand lake, Ohio river then up to sandusky bay. Nothing is stopping you from doing the research and driving 2 to 3 hours for meetings and tourneys. Personally A club is supposed to be about fun and learning. Come saturday morning I really don't want to drive all the way across the state, get up at 2 am fish 8 hours then drive 4 hours home but that is just me. Some of us have jobs and have to work on thursdays and fridays. Also some of us can't afford to take all those practice days off and some of us cant afford to take off work the day before and get a hotel so you don't have to drive. I prefer fishing lakes no more than 1.5 hours away for that reason. To me clubs should have a reasonable entry fee, after all it is about qualifing for the regional tourneys and so on. Isn't that your goal in a club, to learn, have fun and qualify and move as far as you can get. If you are after the big money so to speak you need to consider a circuit. The payout is much bigger and you tend to have many choices of which circuit you want to fish. Go to www.cotaa.com and www.ohiobass.org websites and check out all the clubs and circuits. I would be suprised if you can't find something that fits your needs. Check out midwest sportsman ,there are different divisions all over the state and if you qualify ,you go to kentucky lake for the championship, right up your alley since you want to drive a lot. Remember, no matter what lake you go to there will always be someone that knows the lake real well no matter what circuit or club you fish and you will always run into guys that always bring in a limit no matter what lake they are at cause they are good and know what they are doing. Also these guys understand bass and know how to find them in any body of water. You just have to mentally prepare yourself and educate yourself to be one of those guys. If you feel you are entering tourneys and just donating to the guys who always finish in the money then thats probably what you will do. You have to have confidence in what you do and just go out and fish otherwise thats all you will do is donate your money to those who are prepared to fish.
    After reading your post again you mentioned driving 70 miles for a local to take your money. Unless you base your club or circuit in your area, say northeast ohio and only schedule lakes across the state or bordering states then thats about the only way you could possibly prevent "a local " from taking your money. But most guys I know who tournament fish usually know something about our lakes in ohio, whether they are in southeast or northwest ohio. You would probably have to go out of state to get a lake no one has fished. I know what you are saying though. I would probably get borred of fishing just 3 lakes like you said you do. Maybe you could get a group of guys who want the same thing you do and can afford to do it. Thats are how most clubs are started. Good luck.
     
  5. you guys make good points, i am hoping for something based in my area that has meetings near me but fishes other lakes besides mosquito berlin and west branch. i will check the posts you have put up. i love mosquito and berlin etc but for tournament purposes id like to have a club around here maybe one year to have all its tourys south of here getting us all to lakes we might not ever get a bug to fish, plus maybe giving a one day boost to an economy where the lake is at. i agree with your travel times and etc. 2hrs to a meeting is too far. i will drive that to fish and usually do. but for a meeting? no thanx
     
  6. Buzzman and I fish in the same club in central Ohio. I got him to join late last year and he is excited to be in for the whole season this year. Our club has a rule that states no lakes outside of an 80-mile range of Columbus. We fish Erie one weekend, and then 6 other lakes. I know other clubs that fish more tourneys than we do.

    I agree that some guys are local specialists on their lake. Most of them won't do nearly as well on a foreign body of water because they concentrate on their home lake honeyholes. Its their choice to do that. I try, as an angler, to go to the lake everyday and fish the lake and the current conditions. Some guys race from point A to point B and catch fish where they "always" catch fish. Its their loss, because I'm gearing myself up for something much bigger. I want to fish more circuits until I find that place where I'm challenged every time out on the lake, and I'm fishing against like-minded people. So far its paid off, as in my first year of competitive fishing I finished fourth in my club and will fish the regional this year on Indian. Some of the guys in my club are great fishermen who just like the laid back attitude of the Federation club tourney. Others are those stay at home, beat the bank types.

    You'll find the right mix of club or circuit for you. You just gotta look. BFL, Bassmaster Series, Midwest Sportsman. There's plenty to choose from.

    Eric
     
  7. Hey USC I hear you- there is always two sides to the coin though.

    Conversely as many have pointed out- once you start taking things outa the "local" domain then expenses go up and time goes away from family,work etc. Then the guys who like WB Berlin Mosq are "unhappy"- it's kinda double edged sword for directors.

    As far as prefishn' I am totally against it. My best events have most always been goin' out and fishn' for that particular day. Dont get me worng prefish pays back often- but it can hurt more if you arent listening to the fish and just going on past experiences.As well your spirit will tend to clam up and never grow into the next stages of your "quest". Thats a personal decision- not a prefish decision. "THE ENEMY" http://www.dobass.com/THEENEMY.html

    We tried to set our big boat circut as a series of events to encourgae the home lakers and "ringers" to come out and fish. We want the best of the best- or I should say the most confident, to come fish our events. We also want to reward the top spots with a 100 percent return for their efforts the very day they fish. No championship- no points- fish one or all- the choice is yours with no penalty. Hopefully allowing anglers to fish another full circut and join us for one or two.

    If you are tired of the local stuff, listen to your heart bro- go fish anywhere you so choose. Dont do a tournament- just go fish. When you feel like there's a time for less "donating" and more check cashing- jump in.

    There is so much variety out there now- especially in NE region, pick and choose and find what is right for you.

    Good luck in 05'- we got two spots for lado!!! That is a great place to start, Mother heals wounds, I go to her after every blank myself!- here is also schedule for more lakes in the region you are gettn' worn out on! :)

    http://www.dobass.com/2002schedules.html

    Nip
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  8. well i really dont make much sence of all this lol my opionion is that a lake is a lake and bass are bass. to me ringers are more of a mind game than any thing else. some times when a fisherman shows up and some one else says the ringers are here half of the field beats thier self mentally before the tourny even starts. the only real ringers are the bass themselfs thats what ya have to beat. compete you against the bass not you against another angler. i have fished all over ohio and out of state and have yet to cash a check for having 5 ringers in the boat lol 5 bass is another story. i have had some very good quality experanced fisherman as partners and some partners just starting out and it still takes 5 bass to do well in most tournys. if some one is sick of fishing 3 lakes then they should be in the money enough on them to pay the expenses of travel to fish lakes farther away. if not then taking the circuit or club to all unknown waters what the angler is hoping for is the word( lucky) to play a bigger part than the word (skill)
     
  9. Marshall

    Marshall Catch Photo And Release

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    I agree mike. I use to hear this too. Lets schedule all our tourneys at lake erie because im tired of not catching fish in the local lakes. Don't get me wrong erie is awesome but alot easier for a so so angler to get a limit. Easy on me you erie guys.
     
  10. You got it Mike- "ringers" dead on. I like your Clunn mentality!

    When I started NOAA last year one of the series sponsors commented that it attracted "ringers" the way it was set up. I was furious! I asked him what a "ringer" was. He had a hard time really definining that for me and never said much more. Therefore I started telling folks while promoting the series- "we are looking for the 'ringers' of these lakes"

    SUCCESSFUL FISHING FOR ME RELIES ON TWO THINGS #1 - HONESTY WITH YOURSELF #2 - STATISTICS. FOR TWO SIMPLISTIC HEADERS - A TOTAL OF FOUR WORDS- ARE MY FOCUS WHEN I'M TOURNAMENT FISHN'. I'M STILL BANGING MY HEAD AT TIMES TRYING TO LET THE TWO FLOW TOGETHER. HONESTY WITH YOURSELF IN FISHING CAN BE THE HARDEST.

    SOMETIMES THE TRUTH HURTS. EVER TALK YOURSELF INTO THINKING YOU CAUGHT MORE AND BIGGER FISH THAN YOU REALLY DID? EVER MAKE YOURSELF BELIEVE THAT YOU SIMPLY CANT GO WRONG WITH A SPECIFIC LURE, PRESENTATION OR AREA OF THE LAKE? THATS WHAT IT MEANS. DONT LISTEN TO YOUR HEAD - LISTEN TO YOUR HEART - WHAT THE FISH ARE TRYING TO TELL YOU- NOT WHAT YOU ARE TELLING YOURSELF. TRUTH IS OFTEN CONFUSED WITH CONFIDENCE. COMBINE THAT WITH THE VARIABLES OF (X) # OF CORRECT PRESENTATIONS/PER HOUR + (X) FISHPROXIMITY/ # OF FISH DIVIDE BY CONSISITENCY SUBTRACT BAD ENERGIES,LOST FISH, ADD POSITIVE ENERGIES PLUS PREPARATION PLUS OLD INDIAN TRICKS = (X) # OF FISH/ (X) 8 HOURS.

    This was my psychobassbabble in 2003 from my diary page!http://www.dobass.com/diary.html

    Just figured I'd bore everyone a tad more as I await the final email that solidifies my sale of my boat- made it all the way to Florida... I think!!!

    Nip
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