Ive just about given up on Great Miami River saugeye. I've fished the dam in Troy, the dam in Piqua, the railroad trestle, and an undisclosed location ive done well at before. I've drowned minnows in deep holes and cast my arm off. Saw a guy catch one well over 3 lbs on Saturday, but ive struck out. Fish seem to be active - ive seen fish splash about (other species no doubt) but im not getting bites from anything. One thing i haven't tried is further north - the outdoor writer in our paper mentioned trying places on the river closer to Indian Lake - the fish wash out of the spillway, and you can encounter them just about anyplace, if you are lucky. (you also can get pike up this way.) Any ideas? I could give up and fish the Mad for trout - if they aren't biting, you can usually catch enough creek chubs to keep it interesting!