First off I would like to thank everyone who posts here. Without everyone sharing their ideas the learning curve would be huge for me. These 2 are 4 inches long and I made them for trolling for saugeye at Indian Lake this spring. They ran good in the tub but i didnt have my gps so I dont know how they will do at rolling speed! LOL! I used one of VC's tips from a previous post for the kill spot on the one. The electrical tape and hole punch work great, thanks VC. I appreciate everyones feedback, it helps keep ya goin at it.