firewall/anti virus

Discussion in 'Computing & Gaming Discussions' started by CountryKat, Oct 22, 2007.

  1. CountryKat

    CountryKat Fish On!!!

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    I have been using zone alarm for the past 6 months. Here over the last few weeks everything started slowing down. Some sites would not load or took a very long time, my auto updates were not working, sometimes it would not even scan, my boot sequence was all out of order (?) several times, and the list goes on and on. You know the routine. I got fed up and got the Mcafee 10/1 package yesterday. Downloaded, installed and poof evrything is back up and running normal. Not sure what happened with ZA but it got smacked with something. Anyone else ever have this problem?
     
  2. nope. cuz i wont touch ZA anymore - too much of a pain. i wont bother with mcafee or symantec either - resource hogs.

    i use a router as a firewall, and for anitvirus i use AVG - it's free and lightweight.
     

  3. Ruminator

    Ruminator TeamOGF

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    This past week I've been researching which anti-virus I want to go with next myself. Consumer reports, PC World, PC Mag, c/net, ZDnet, download.com, Maximumpc, etc. for sources.

    Consumer Reports just published in their Sept., '07 issue an article that includes the most recent results of their AV comparison. Although short, it gets to the point pretty well for all of the major programs. They do factor in additional things like features and value but I start with them.

    My findings are that Kaspersky, ZoneAlarm(which uses Kasperky), TrendMicro, and BitDefender10 all did an excellent job of finding viruses... as well as dealing with them.

    Kasperky really shines here, BUT IT HAS MAJOR ISSUES !!!!! BEWARE!!! Read up on it before you buy it!!
    TrendMicro also has some as well, but not as bad.
    I was going to buy their latest 7.0 program until I read user reviews at the sites listed above. Way too many headaches for me. All of the sites with user reviews have people warning you. :(
    So that kicks out ZoneAlarm also since it bundles Kaspersky into their product line now. :eek:

    TrendMicro or BitDefender10 rank next with Consumer Reports ranking TrendMicro 1st in their report, but I wouldn't hesitate to go with BD10 either. Just make sure your pc has the required resources necessary for BD10. I was going to download the 30 day free trial last night until I discovered I don't have enough memory in my pc yet.

    For freeware, Alwil's Avast Home Edition 4.7 gets ranked just above AVG Anti-Virus Free 7.5 in the CR report and all the sites rankings as well.
    But it is decidedly less capable than the top ranked AV programs.

    I will go with either TrendMicro or BD10.
     
  4. Ruminator

    Ruminator TeamOGF

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    This is some good reading I just found.

    AV-Test.org Reports Stats from Antivirus Roundup

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    AV-Test.org, an independent testing group at the Otto-von-Guericke-University (Magdeburg, Germany), tested 29 anti-malware products with a very large set of files (606,901 to be specific). The goal was to test detection capabilities only, not cleaning. Products were set with their most aggressive detection options, such as using all heuristics and testing inside archives.
    In the test set were:
    • 68,864 backdoors
    • 407,487 Trojan Horses
    • 47,891 bots (zombies)
    • 82,659 worms
    Some of the results:
    • The best product, WebWasher, detected 99.83 percent, but this is a gateway product. The best desktop product, at 99.56 percent, is AVK 2007.
    • The worst product, Computer Associates's eTrust-VET, detected 62.12 percent.
    • The average product detected 86.95 percent, the median 90.97 percent.
    All products were last updated on Friday, May 18th, prior to the test. Only current malware was used, meaning all samples were seen in the last 12 months. Only Win32 malware, not 16-bit Windows or DOS, was used, and all malware had to be functional, as opposed to corrupted or benign samples. Here is the full data set: <table border="1"><tbody><tr><td>Program</td><td># Detected</td><td>Detection &#37;</td></tr> <tr><td>WebWasher</td><td>605,846</td><td>99.83%</td></tr> <tr><td>AVK 2007</td><td>604,255</td><td>99.56%</td></tr> <tr><td>AntiVir</td><td>603,408</td><td>99.42%</td></tr> <tr><td>F-Secure</td><td>594,333</td><td>97.93%</td></tr> <tr><td>Symantec</td><td>593,355</td><td>97.77%</td></tr> <tr><td>Kaspersky</td><td>592,606</td><td>97.64%</td></tr> <tr><td>Fortinet</td><td>589,028</td><td>97.06%</td></tr> <tr><td>Avast!</td><td>584,574</td><td>96.32%</td></tr> <tr><td>AVG</td><td>583,541</td><td>96.15%</td></tr> <tr><td>Rising</td><td>582,772</td><td>96.02%</td></tr> <tr><td>BitDefender</td><td>580,700</td><td>95.68%</td></tr> <tr><td>Norman</td><td>574,476</td><td>94.66%</td></tr> <tr><td>Ikarus</td><td>561,607</td><td>92.54%</td></tr> <tr><td>Panda</td><td>558,899</td><td>92.09%</td></tr> <tr><td>Trend Micro</td><td>552,107</td><td>90.97%</td></tr> <tr><td>Nod32</td><td>536,043</td><td>88.32%</td></tr> <tr><td>McAfee</td><td>529,680</td><td>87.28%</td></tr> <tr><td>Dr Web</td><td>520,959</td><td>85.84%</td></tr> <tr><td>F-Prot</td><td>517,491</td><td>85.27%</td></tr> <tr><td>VBA32</td><td>498,264</td><td>82.10%</td></tr> <tr><td>Sophos</td><td>496,135</td><td>81.75%</td></tr> <tr><td>eSafe</td><td>495,074</td><td>81.57%</td></tr> <tr><td>Microsoft</td><td>488,942</td><td>80.56%</td></tr> <tr><td>Ewido</td><td>456,660</td><td>75.24%</td></tr> <tr><td>VirusBuster</td><td>441,341</td><td>72.72%</td></tr> <tr><td>Command</td><td>414,036</td><td>68.22%</td></tr> <tr><td>ClamAV</td><td>387,276</td><td>63.81%</td></tr> <tr><td>QuickHeal</td><td>382,557</td><td>63.03%</td></tr> <tr><td>eTrust-VET</td><td>376,983</td><td>62.12%</td></tr></tbody></table>

    It doesn't get into any of the programs issues, just some basic data for a starting point.
     
  5. some of those big AV's programs are just as bad as some malware - the way they bog down a system. i still cant see the need to pay for antivirus - been using AVG for years without a problem. then again, i dont visit the those midget/donkey sites....much :p


    i tried Avast once, had some issues.


    (okay, i need go knock on wood now)
     
  6. Eriesteamer

    Eriesteamer BORN TO RIDE THE WAVES

    Yep in the last year I too had lots pop ups and the rest like virus,trojans and what else.but I found the perfect thing to use and have yet to say it is not tops.since I used it never had any problems.best is it was FREE.yep you read it rite.FREE.I been into computers since day one and know whats tops in that line.but just whats my secret is still a secret.bet you wish you had it.do to no one wants my say I will pass on it.yes I too have tried all those that these others mentioned in this post and agree with them.mines the one and only.
     
  7. Ruminator

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    amoricon, your right! Norton and McAfee are HUGE resource hogs!

    The only thing I don't like about AVG as a program is that it runs in the background all the time. I like being able to decide to run it only when I'm on the net.

    Stan, I didn't see any posts disregarding your experience in this. What have you found successful?
     
  8. Eriesteamer

    Eriesteamer BORN TO RIDE THE WAVES

    The thing I got can be turned off at will.I have to turn it off when installing programs and know that it can be turned off.as if I do not turn off it will reject program from installing on hard drive.but there after I never turn it off as it seems to be ok.My computer by the ways the latest and fastest.think thats not your case thus any thing slow your computer that is already slow will show up like a sore thumb.just my guess.in 6 months I have no beef on my thing.it has stopped so many those pop up and the rest that I am amazed.before I had same thing as most you have and it was pits to have redo it.get rid off all the crap that was sneaked on my hard drive.but thats history here.my thing if and only if anything does get by it will find it and rid it.or quarranteen it if it will screw up computer to remove it.but as I say it has yet to let any get by.hard to beleave.yes I get lots that crap so I know what your getting too.but as I say my thing stops it in its tracks.and lets me know it did.so I know where the stuff is coming from when on web.thus can stay clear those sights.
     
  9. That was a big help!
     
  10. i gave up at about the third sentence.
     
  11. 1. Keep your computer up to date with Windows Update.

    2. Never run you computer directly from a DSL/Cable Modem. Run behind a router. To over simplify things, routers hide your ports and keep you safe from passive port scanners (zombie boxes that scan the internet 24/7 looking for open ports) that deliver trojan payloads. Note that a lot of modems provided by your ISP these days have this capability (IP filtering, NAT Filtering). But you need to be sure.

    3. Use the windows firewall. Microsoft made it. Their product works best with their operating system.


    Don't install any 3rd party firewalls like zone alarm, black ice, or McAfee, Norton firewalls. Just DON'T do it. The Norton and McAfee Corporate products are decent, but the stuff for home users is horrible, bloated, resource hogging crap.

    Regarding Anti virus software...The detection rate in Magazine reviews is darn-near meaningless. Once you get a virus, you've been compromised you've probably got ports open, backdoors opened, and numerous other issues. When people bring me a computer with virii, I get their important documents off (if possible) and nuke the thing from orbit (format and reinstall Windows).

    That said, I do use antivirus on some of my comptuers. Pick an antivirus from Kasperky, AVG, Avast!, or F-Prot and install it and set it to auto-update, pay for it if you have to. Ideally, you'll never have to use it to "quarantine" or remove virii.

    The key is to not get virii in the first place. To that end, Windows Update will take care of you 99&#37; percent of the time (MS has a LOT invested in getting the security holes sealed..so they are pretty good at getting things sealed when a new virus emerges, and chances are you'll get the update in time).

    Be intelligent while surfing. Don't install any helpful "toolbars", porn dialers, or whatever.

    That's all you really need to do.

    I haven't had a virus in 5 years. And this is all I do.

    Some good discussion regarding free antivirus clients here.