just an observation. i dont ebay myself, but just out of curiosity went there to look at all the vexilar stuff for sale. there is a lot of shady and old merchandise being sold on there. some of the sales pitches are misleading. be careful. the "raygun" fishfinder is a joke. if you want to buy a vexilar make sure it is either a vex 18 or a vex 8SE (not just a vex 8 or vex 8 SLT) unless you are sure that an 8 or 8 slt is good enough for you....bear in mind that the 8 and slt are not the same as the 8SE.