Well guys, just got to lay this one on you.....there will be some that know about these toys...but I'll bet there are alot more that dont. (Look up Sno Bear Industries) for the first one and (look up Wilcraft) for your second... Sorry I dont have the "links" handy.... But if you love "ice fishing" you wont be sorry you looked this up..... The SnoBear, is a pure delite to any icefishermans eye ( and should be ) seen it priced around $30.000.....that will shoot you fishing budget for the whole year. Sorry, but I just thought some (not all) would enjoy seeing them......PS let me know what you think. Jon Sr.