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One of my buddies from over here in Pa. has been going up to Conneaut on lake erie and hammering the perch. He came by and showed me part of his catch saturday. Lots of jumbos, 12 and 13 inchers. Only going out about a mile, in 35 foot water using shiners. Going up this weekend, weather permitting...... 2ft or less..... damn the rest ! 16ft tracker... Smitty 