Concealed Carry Justice

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    Police called to investigate the scene:
    The 71-year-old retired Marine who opened fire on two
    robbers at a Plantation, FL, Sub shop late Wednesday,
    killing one and critically wounding the other, is described
    as John Lovell, a former pilot for two presidents.
    He doesn't drink, he doesn't smoke, he works out everyday.
    Lovell was a man of action Wednesday night.
    According to Plantation police, two masked gunmen came
    into the Subway at 1949 N. Pine Rd. Just after 11 p.m.
    There was a lone diner -- Lovell, who was finishing his
    meal. After robbing the cashier, the two men attempted to
    shove Lovell into a bathroom and rob him as well. They
    got his money. But then Lovell pulled his handgun, opened
    fire, shooting one of the thieves in the head and chest and
    the other in the head. When police arrived, they found
    one of the men in the shop. K-9 units found the other in
    the bushes of a nearby business. They also found cash
    strewn around the front of the sandwich shop according to
    Detective Robert Rettig of the Plantation Police Department.
    Both men were taken to Broward General Medical Center,
    where one, Donicio Arrindell, 22, of North Lauderdale died.
    The other, 21-year-old Frederick Gadson of Fort Lauderdale
    is in critical but stable condition. A longtime friend of
    Lovell, was not surprised to hear what happened. ''He'd
    give you the shirt off his back and he'd be mad if someone
    tried to take the shirt off your back,'' he said.
    Lovell worked as a pilot for the Marines, flying former
    Presidents John F. Kennedy and Lyndon B. Johnson.
    He later worked as a pilot for Pan Am and Delta. Lovell
    is not married and does not have children. He is not
    expected to be charged, authorities said ''He was in fear
    for his life,'' Rettig said. ' These criminals ought to
    that most men in their 70's have military backgrounds and
    aren't intimidated by idiots.' Something tells me this old
    Marine wasn't 'in fear for his life' even though his life was
    definitely at risk. The only thing he could be charged with
    is participating in an unfair fight. One 71 - year young
    Marine against two punks. Two head shots and one
    center-body-mass shot-good shooting!
    That'll teach them not to get between a Marine and his meal.
    Don't you just love a story with a happy ending?
    (Florida law allows law abiding citizens to carry a concealed
  2. thanks for posting this shortdrift, I love stories with a happy ending.

  3. snake69

    snake69 Equal opportunity fishing

    Shame we don't hear more of that, maybe the thugs would think twice. Probably not, too ignorant.... That and the threat of having to actually work to get their money. Unacceptable in a criminals mind!!
  4. PapawSmith

    PapawSmith Bud n Burgers

    I just started the timer on my desk to see how long before Athensfishin mixes in some intellect with regards to the negative sociallogical impact that armed citizens have on our communities and how a waitress could have been killed here. ;)
  5. mrphish42

    mrphish42 locators dont lie

    I do very well believe in letting sleepings dogs lie, Shake them or push them far (or hard) enough and you'll get yours..... as a member of that older set that was mentioned... I have been a CCW carrier, since Ohio law was changed ..... I shot on a rifle team in high school ( in the 50's ) when things like that didn't raise an eye-brow......... Funny, how after all these years you know exactly just where to point that front sight af your weapon. Some things never change....... keep a sharp eye out there/////// it gets stranger out there buy the day...
  6. As one of the afore mentioned genre,
    I dont carry ............but ............try me
    in a life or death situation......nuf said.
    Semper Fi

    Capt Hook
  7. Sounds like the former marine still knows his way around the iron:)
  8. One Legged Josh

    One Legged Josh Senior Member

    Good for him. But he will most likely get a civil suit filed against him now.
  9. triton175

    triton175 STX 206 Viper

    I wonder if that Subway had a "No Guns" sign on the door.
    Good for him - Nice shooting!
  10. ezbite

    ezbite the Susan Lucci of OGF

    papasmith, when did you take up mind reading? because buddy, you read

    thanks for the read shorty.
  11. LOL way to shot pops!! i like they say only thing he could be charged for is participating a unfair fight?!? lmao i never knew there was a such thing as a fair fight and what i see he made it a fair playing field. lol
  12. I say good for him...and good for us as a society. The bad guys got theirs this time. Unfortunately he will probably be charged with some rediculous rap such as assult with a deadly weapon and/or a civil suit, which is total BSTim
  13. athensfishin'

    athensfishin' Fighting the Man

    HA your wrong, he should have shot them 10 times, then smacked their mommas for raising morons. Heck they should donate him the cash they were going to rob too, Medicare sucks and he needs to buy more scratch offs.

    Didn't see that comment coming did you. now for reality, I'll spare you all my ideas, as nobody cares and I have already posted elsewhere.
  14. The world is now a little safer place to live. I admire guys like that very much!
  15. PapawSmith

    PapawSmith Bud n Burgers

    Your right Athens, I didn't see that one coming.:p But don't think for a minute that I, and others, don't look forward to your viewpoint. Your's may often differ from mine but you always offer a competent and viable argument, albeit often in dissent of the majority here. You make a lot of us think and you always inspire constructive debate on these issues. Please keep em comin!
  16. jeffmo

    jeffmo officially unofficial!!!!

    just one more example of how concealed carry is a good idea!:)
  17. Found the original newspaper article from June 2007. I got a good chuckle near the end of the story where they talk to the friends & family of one of the robbers.

    "Arrindell, friends said, found himself in a similar situation: no high school diploma and working odd jobs. So he went back to school. He was a man with past troubles, including a 2004 arrest for carrying a concealed weapon, but he was improving his life, they said. He recently bought a car and had a girlfriend."

    Oh sorry! He had a car and a date. How stupid of me to think this guy was just another punk loser!
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  18. I liked this one in the comment column.


  19. The Florida "Castle Doctrine" law basically does three things:

    One: It establishes, in law, the presumption that a criminal who forcibly enters or intrudes into your home or occupied vehicle is there to cause death or great bodily harm, therefore a person may use any manner of force, including deadly force, against that person.

    Two: It removes the "duty to retreat" if you are attacked in any place you have a right to be. You no longer have to turn your back on a criminal and try to run when attacked. Instead, you may stand your ground and fight back, meeting force with force, including deadly force, if you reasonably believe it is necessary to prevent death or great bodily harm to yourself or others. [This is an American right repeatedly recognized in Supreme Court gun cases.]

    Three: It provides that persons using force authorized by law shall not be prosecuted for using such force.

    It also prohibits criminals and their families from suing victims for injuring or killing the criminals who have attacked them.

    In short, it gives rights back to law-abiding people and forces judges and prosecutors who are prone to coddling criminals to instead focus on protecting victims.
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