Went out of Avon today with a friend of mine for his first time fishing on lake erie, and fairly new to fishing overall. Picked up some frozen shiners from erie outfitters and headed due north of the stacks put 20 in the box in about 1.5 hrs then they just shut off--im one for moving frequently when perching if they stop biting, may have been a bad idea today probably should have stayed were we were as we only ended up with another 15 over the last 3 hours of our day on the water.