Man I have been getting skunked for over a month now. Lake Brunswick,Hinckley, ledge lake just to name a few. Using a line lead for a by rig effect. At first thought maybe mY leader was to short. So I went from aboutb6 inches to 10 on one rod and 15 on the other. Still no luck . Allot of undergrowth everywhere doesnt help either . Any suggestions? Also if anyone fished the ohio Erie canal, do the carp venture all the way up to the Brooklyn heights area near the cnanl way nature center?