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Old 12-23-2013, 08:00 PM   #1
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With the pending possibility of Ohio allowing rifles with straight wall cartridges . I was wondering what would be a good choice as well as what rifles that are being manufactured would be available ? I see Michigan may pass the same.
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Lol the guys that are butt hurt at deer numbers will cry n cry if that passes.

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I have heard this is a possibility for next year.
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I've been hearing about it for two to three years now.

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Lol the guys that are butt hurt at deer numbers will cry n cry if that passes.

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Its funny that many of the guys crying about the numbers are the same ones hoping for PCR's!

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Old 12-23-2013, 10:30 PM   #6
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With the pending possibility of Ohio allowing rifles with straight wall cartridges . I was wondering what would be a good choice as well as what rifles that are being manufactured would be available ? I see Michigan may pass the same.
I have a .45-70 that is sighed in at 2" high at 100, 3" low at 200 which is a straight walled cartridge. I'm shooting the Horandy 325 grain bullet and use it for a bear gun. Nice lever action...that'll whack a deer no problem. It does kick like a mule though...

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.45-70 (as prev posted) or the .444 Marlin would be two of my first choices for Ohio.
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Old 12-23-2013, 11:55 PM   #8
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Or:

50 Beowulf

H&R has a Handi Rifle in S&W .500

I think H&R would also have a .460 handi rifle too (i might be wrong though)

I've never shot these but they'd be possibilities:
-450 Hornady
-450 Marlin
-50 Alaskan

I also think there is something like a 480 Ruger but I don't know much about it.
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I'm sure Henry rifles are chomping at the bit over the chance of both Ohio and Michigan allowing PCR's. There will be lever guns everywhere!!!

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Old 12-24-2013, 02:16 AM   #10
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would a 32 winchester special qualify?
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Old 12-24-2013, 03:04 AM   #11
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NO. The 32 Winchester has a small shoulder. It's not straight walled.

44 Magnum is more than enough for deer. 240 grain JSP will knock them down with authority.
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Old 12-24-2013, 09:50 AM   #12
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Hey Misdirection- your a man after my own heart- I have been shooting black powder silhouette targets all summer down at Tusco Rifle range ( that is a lot of fun if you have never done it ) and I have been using a 45/70 Sharps rifle with a Unertl scope on it and that's what i am going to use. im a big believer in quick kill-
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If you go with a TC encore, there are several barrel makers that will make anything you want for a barrel.

Pcr's would provide a more reliable and effective means of killing a deer for some parts of our hunting population. I doubt the increase in actual deer killed would be significant In greater scheme of things.

As for those that are "butt hurt" about the population of deer, nothing is going to make them happy. That term cracked me up, I vow to use it at least twice In the next 24 hours.

What it would do for me is allow me to hand load and shoot for a much lower cost than I can with my slug gun.

I would start with the .444 marlin and fall back to the 45-70 if I could not find one in a lever gun.
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If you go with a TC encore, there are several barrel makers that will make anything you want for a barrel.

Pcr's would provide a more reliable and effective means of killing a deer for some parts of our hunting population. I doubt the increase in actual deer killed would be significant In greater scheme of things.

As for those that are "butt hurt" about the population of deer, nothing is going to make them happy. That term cracked me up, I vow to use it at least twice In the next 24 hours.

What it would do for me is allow me to hand load and shoot for a much lower cost than I can with my slug gun.

I would start with the .444 marlin and fall back to the 45-70 if I could not find one in a lever gun.
Im sure they will put a casing length limit on them where the 444 or 45/70 wont be legal
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I am pretty sure they won't impose case length limits.

444 Marlin and .45/70 are on the current list of approved cartridges for use in a handgun. The proposal on the table is to use the existing pistol criteria to establish the rifle criteria.

What basis could possibly be used to establish case length limits? If it's ballistics, then the .45/70 is automatically on the table when compared to shotgun sabots. The 444 Marlin is not that far ahead and pales in comparison to modern inline muzzle loaders.

Case length limits were necessary in Indiana because they can use necked cartridges. Straight walled cartridges are by design self regulated to remain on par with what we use now. We've already stuffed them with the best ingredients and the best bullets in the best guns. What you see is what you get and with no options to neck and alter pressures, there is no need to regulate case length.

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That is interesting about necked cartridges in Indiana. I never put that together
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Im sure they will put a casing length limit on them where the 444 or 45/70 wont be legal
45-70 is legal in handgun now. Why would it change with this new law? For that matter, 444 Marlin is legal as well, in TC Encore and similar.
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I hope PCR's get approved... I've been looking for an excuse to buy another gun!!!
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Are lever actions going to have to be plugged like a shotgun? IMO they should be to make it fair. I'd rather see 30/30's legalized than big bore straightwall rounds.
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Are lever actions going to have to be plugged like a shotgun? IMO they should be to make it fair. I'd rather see 30/30's legalized than big bore straightwall rounds.
I'm sure that the regulation regarding loaded firearms will not be specific to caliber or type of firearm used. If it has a tube they will want you to plug it.

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