I know of a few people here in Knox County that go out and kill carp just for the heck of it. Torturing fish with knives and shooting them is not morally right, and is down right demented. How do you guys feel about this?
True sportsmen wouldn't do such a thing. Any fish that I catch is a privilege. I've heard lake Erie fishermen doing the same thing with sheepshead but on a day when the walleye are tight lipped, the sheep of the deep are a welcomed catch in my book.
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I know of a few people here in Knox County that go out and kill carp just for the heck of it. Torturing fish with knives and shooting them is not morally right, and is down right demented. How do you guys feel about this?
Does your demented judgement also apply to those who shoot carp with a archery equipment?
Does your demented judgement also apply to those who shoot carp with a archery equipment?
I would love to go bowfishing for Carp or Aligator Gar if I was ever down south far enough to see one. If you are going to eat the fish I do not see a problem with it at all. What is the difference of people using rifles to shoot deer? As long as you are using the fish in some manner I don't see a problem but, on the other hand if you are just shooting the fish then leaving it in a dumpster or something along them lines, that is when I have an issue. I have caught Carp before and it bled out from a gill hook, I gave it to a homeless man since I do not eat them.
I would love to go bowfishing for Carp or Aligator Gar if I was ever down south far enough to see one. If you are going to eat the fish I do not see a problem with it at all. What is the difference of people using rifles to shoot deer? As long as you are using the fish in some manner I don't see a problem but, on the other hand if you are just shooting the fish then leaving it in a dumpster or something along them lines, that is when I have an issue. I have caught Carp before and it bled out from a gill hook, I gave it to a homeless man since I do not eat them.
Yes, If your eating the fish it's perfectly fine. Killing it for the fun of it is just messed up.
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Though this subject has been beat to death on these forums. My 2 cents is that as long as its legal I don't have a problem with it. In the case of shooting carp this is beneficial to our fisheries. Carp are invasive species. Ethically fish are not sympathetic creatures and therefore death is not a negative experience for its fellow fish. Death by archery equipment is realatively quick compared to other ways fish may die at the hands of men. Deeply hooked gamefish often suffocate due to lack of water movement through there gills. Yet we all still fish. Id much rather go by arrow then drowned. The way I see it have fun shoot carp with archery equipment, just dispose of carcasses appropriately.
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The bad thing is that they are wasting perfectly good fish. Carp, when marinated is good fish to eat. And preparing the fish is easy, just cut off the skin and take the lightest meat in the fish.
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Though this subject has been beat to death on these forums. My 2 cents is that as long as its legal I don't have a problem with it. In the case of shooting carp this is beneficial to our fisheries. Carp are invasive species. Ethically fish are not sympathetic creatures and therefore death is not a negative experience for its fellow fish. Death by archery equipment is realatively quick compared to other ways fish may die at the hands of men. Deeply hooked gamefish often suffocate due to lack of water movement through there gills. Yet we all still fish. Id much rather go by arrow then drowned. The way I see it have fun shoot carp with archery equipment, just dispose of carcasses appropriately.
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Well said!!!
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Well i agree that killing for no reason is wrong. I disagree carb is good to eat. First because they feed in the muddy bottoms were your pollutants all lay. Second because i have tried many ways and to me they are to oily. I know people who will though. When i was younger i killed them when caught and used them to fertilize my garden. I would rather go all day with out a bite then catch one. But if you like them thats great.
I would love to go bowfishing for Carp or Aligator Gar if I was ever down south far enough to see one. If you are going to eat the fish I do not see a problem with it at all. What is the difference of people using rifles to shoot deer? As long as you are using the fish in some manner I don't see a problem but, on the other hand if you are just shooting the fish then leaving it in a dumpster or something along them lines, that is when I have an issue. I have caught Carp before and it bled out from a gill hook, I gave it to a homeless man since I do not eat them.
+1 Especially on giving that Carp to a homeless man. You are a class act Chad.
I personally don't think one should kill anything for absolutely no purpose whatsoever. It is wasting resources and creation that God has given to us (and other animals), not only as food, but also as a source of enjoyment when we get to witness these animals in their natural habitat.
Just because it may be "legal" to throw what we consider a "nuisance" on the bank to suffocate and rot in the sun, should not clear one's conscious of guilt. This especially applies to public waters since sport fishermen are not the only ones that fish these waters. Case in point is if every sport fisherman tossed every fish they didn't like onto the banks, this would reduce the chances of a family looking to catch their meal for the day, of ending up with a full stomach. Sure that seems like an exaggerated circumstance, but even one fish could of cured the "grum-bellies" of a starving person. And when you look at it like that, it kind of puts things into perspective of how easily we can just fall into a state of complacency where our "needs" of "pleasure" outweigh genuine needs of sustenance.
Now the above could look like I am waving a PETA flag here, but believe me, I abhor PETA and the other institutions like them that use people's emotions against them for the corporate gain of the institutions under the guise of "saving the animals". Animals are not equal to humans.
The "wild card" here is those certain species considered a "nuisance" by the divisions of wildlife and other people. I personally don't feel this holds any credence since public waters #1 purpose is not sport fishing. Carp for example are blamed for reducing Bass populations among other "sport fish", by "destroying" spawning beds and other habitat with their constant rummaging on the bottom for food.
If one's only argument for killing Carp is to make their favorite sport fish more able to thrive, then this is just selfishness. You are making the judgement call of what life is worth more and the "worth" is based on what gives you more "pleasure". Sounds silly doesn't it?
Owner's of private waters have the right to have what fish species they want in their ponds. And if I didn't want Carp in my pond, I would certainly get rid of them but I would put them as a "resource" to work in the process by one of the following ways:
1. Feed people.
2. Feed animals. (if your pond has Channel Cats in it, feed them cut up Carp chunks)
3. Feed the soil. (fertilize your garden)
All three will put the natural resource given in the form of a Carp (or other fish/animal) to use for the purpose they were created for in the first place. All three will also put that resource on the fast track to giving some human being a full stomach.
I agree if it's legal so what. There's too many them in our water ways! What are you going to do when those jumping Asian carp start swimming in the Ohio river or even worse....... Lake Erie!!!???
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I agree if it's legal so what. There's too many them in our water ways! What are you going to do when those jumping Asian carp start swimming in the Ohio river or even worse....... Lake Erie!!!???
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I think we were talking about common carp. Not Asian carp.
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Mind explaining to me how common carp can kill a fish population? Just making sure you're not pulling facts out your butt.
And from what I'm reading here, they were introduced into this county over 100 years ago, so they aren't "invasive"
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I left this comment in another carp thread, still waiting on someone to answer me.
How long have carp been in our waters? I know my grandpa mentioned catching big ole carp when he was a kid, well over 70 years ago. Carp have been in our waters longer than anyone on this board has been alive, you have all had your best day fishing, likely with carp swimming in the water... But suddenly they are hurting stuff and need to be removed? Are we so sure that carp are really the problem here?... If something has been in a body of water for say... 100 years? I'd go ahead and call it native.
Asian (silver) carp on the other hand, seem to be a real issue.
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After a quick google search, it seems the common carp was introduced to American waters in 1831. Damn they had that long to destroy our waterways and haven't done so yet?... They are slackin. The gar and flathead catfish have been around much longer than that, man those guys really fail at knocking off those game species.
Mind explaining to me how common carp can kill a fish population? Just making sure you're not pulling facts out your butt.
And from what I'm reading here, they were introduced into this county over 100 years ago, so they aren't "invasive"
Introduced in 1870. Ohio waters are doing just fine. If you are utilizing the fish for something other then your own personal satisfaction of killing something, then whats the problem? If you are just killing things just to kill them, then you are weird. That's how Ted Bundy started out. Don't be a Ted Bundy.
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I don't think there are more carp then anything else in our waterways. I think there might be just as much if not less then other fish. Carp are just the fish we see the most because they don't hide in seaweed or stay out of sight. When they feed then come very close to shore or to the top of the water unlike our other fish. I may be wrong though. I don't see why people should torture them either.
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I'm not saying killing them for no reason is right. For my earlier comment just like the Asian carp if they become over populated they use up a food source that many bait fish use as food. When the foods gone there's no bait fish there's no bait fish there's no fish
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People killing Carp for the Fun
People killing Carp for the Fun
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