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Old 03-31-2012, 07:32 AM   #1
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Default Found a timber rattlesnake in morrow county last night

Was doing some reading and found out they are endangered and have only ever been found in seven counties of ohio. This is soo awesome because i didnt know what kinda snake it was til i picked it ip and its tail took off. It is just a baby and im trying to get ahold of the odnr to see if they are interested in documenting this i have a picture and a video of it rattling its tail. I never find stuff like this and yea it may not be that cool of a find but i am stoked about it here is a picture

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Old 03-31-2012, 07:36 AM   #2
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No photo? Nice find.
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Old 03-31-2012, 09:53 AM   #3
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Default Massasauga Rattlesnake

Found one smashed on the road many years ago while hunting in Kill Deer Plains wildlife area, got it in a photo album somewhere, they are a protected species also. Mike
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Since the pic on here didn't work I jacked it from AlumCreekers fb page. Here it is. Pretty sweet find. If I found it I can't gaurantee it would be identifiable

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Old 03-31-2012, 10:12 AM   #5
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Very cool! Was it found in a stream bed? I also live in morrow county and spend a fair amount of time exploring the alum creek watershed.
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Old 03-31-2012, 10:17 AM   #6
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If it's a young one there are several more. What part of morrow county? I live in morrow as well and hope it wasn't close to me. Hehehehe
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I own the old fulton rock quarry it was found around the quarry on an old set of railroad tracks i wish i could upload the video ill try here in a few if you look at pictures of timber rattlesnakes in ohio and look at juvenile timbers its one i have to contact to wildlife officer dirk on monday i want to get this offical coolest damn snake ive ever seen ive been doing nothing all day but researching lol
Thanks bonecrusher for uploading my photo i dont know why it didnt come thru
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there is a rattlesnake common to NE ohio called the eastern messauga rattlesnake .could this be one of them instead? http://www.oplin.org/snake/fact%20pa...ke_e_mass.html

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You maybe onto something im going to do some more research thanks frey

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there is a rattlesnake common to NE ohio called the eastern messauga rattlesnake .could this be one of them instead? http://www.oplin.org/snake/fact%20pa...ke_e_mass.html
freyedknot is right. I have seen young timbers and this is definitely not one - Thank goodness!!

This is indeed a Messauga! They are located up your way. You can keep them

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Guys - that's not a rattlesnake. It's a very young black rat snake, and it's nonvenomous and completely harmless.

When they're adults, they're mostly black, with only a faint pattern, but when young like this one, they are heavily patterned.
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Old 03-31-2012, 02:21 PM   #12
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As far as I am aware of Ohio has only three species of venomous snakes, two of which have rattles at the end of the tail (Eastern Massauga & Timber Rattlesnake. The third species is the Northern copperhead. Although many believe the water moccasin occurs in Ohio, it actually ranges no farther north than the Dismal Swamp in southeastern Virginia in the eastern portion of its range, and extreme southern Indiana and Illinois, in the western part of its range. Water moccasins are not native to Ohio.
The Eastern Massauga is in the wildlife preserve at mosquito


Eastern Massauga http://www.dnr.state.oh.us/Home/spec...0/Default.aspx

This is the Link for the Ohio type Timber rattler. Ross,pike Adams,Scioto,Jackson,Vinton ,Hocking and Hocking is the only county's reported having them.

Lake.http://www.dnr.state.oh.us/Home/spec...7/Default.aspx

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Hope these help. Also My cousin got bite real good this year by a Copper Head. They don't give anti venom for them any more. They give him a infection shot and pain killers and sent him home. His arm swelled about 4 times it size from wrist to the elbow and he was in pain. Told him if he had any other reactions come back. Guess it will only kill you if you are allergic to bees and such. And then most the time not.

This is the massauga range in Ohio.
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looks like a black and white banded water snake to me. Did you see rattles ? some non poisonus snakes rattle the tail to imitate rattlers. Tom
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For the love of God, man, it's a black rat snake. It's not a timber rattlesnake, it's not a massasauga, it's not a water snake. It's a black rat snake.

This isn't even remotely controversial. Look up pictures on the internet.

It's a black rat snake.


The snake in that picture is a black rat snake.
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looks like a rat snake to me, black rat snakes are also known to vibrate their tails to ward of potential threats


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It's an eastern fox snake!! I've had both species in my collection when I kept snakes. Fox snakes will mimic the rattle of rattlesnakes to try to fool predators. They are fairly rare now in Ohio and considered a "species of concern" by the ODNR. So if you harmed it, I won't advertise it on here. The first pic is of a young black rat snake the second a fox snake. It could be a very young black rat, but from thoughs markings/pattern I'd say fox snake.....either way a cool find!! The third pic is a adult black rat snake.The Lounge snakeThe LoungeThe Lounge
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It's a black rat snake. Juvenile black rat snakes are very heavily marked, just like the one in the photo.

The reason the one in the photo is heavily marked is because it's a black rat snake. It's not a timber rattlesnake, or a massasauga, or a water snake, or a fox snake. It's a black rat snake.

The fox snake's range is much farther north than Morrow county.

Black

Rat


Snake.


It's a black....rat...snake.
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It's a black rat snake. Juvenile black rat snakes are very heavily marked, just like the one in the photo.

The reason the one in the photo is heavily marked is because it's a black rat snake. It's not a timber rattlesnake, or a massasauga, or a water snake, or a fox snake. It's a black rat snake.

The fox snake's range is much farther north than Morrow county.

Black

Rat


Snake.


It's a black....rat...snake.
Well I check out where the heck Morrow county was.....a little to far south of lake Erie.......ya got my vote for juvenile black rat snake!!!LOL
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I find this thread so amusing. Are you sure it's a black rat snake...?


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