The Freeh Report on the handling of Jerry Sandusky case by Penn State is pretty damning to the Legacy of JoePa and the "Heads" of the School...they will be "Lucky" if the school is not charged with "lack of institutional control" and harshly punished...it has also opened up the State, Institution, and "Heads" for massive Civil lawsuits and other charges and punishments!
I had hoped JoePa would be cleared of any wrong-doing but it looks as though he just turned the other way! A sad day for us that believed JoePa was "above" all of this pain and suffering that was caused to the victims!
There is a very good chance than Penn State football dissolves over this. When you consider how wide ranging the corruption was, it's hard to imagine the program recovering. It's a shame, as they have one of the greatest fan bases in collegiate athletics, but there is a very very real possiblity that the university feels the need to dissolve the program all together.
Heard the basics yesterday on the radio. Sad, just sad.
No way will penn state football dissolve. NO WAY.
Pretty darn simple. This world revolves around....money. It speaks. PS football is worth a little coin. How much would tuition go up (and the value of college education vs cost is just kinda slipping a bit right now....lol) there if the football program went down?
I hate that fact, but its reality. Look at the ohio state parking deal. As if it wasnt already out of control. Its gonna get worse. Suck it ohio state (and my entire family is ohio state and has been since 79, b.s., 2 m.s., ph.d., prof. He brought in just a bit of research money and at the time rose from lowest ranking prof to highest quicker than anyone in the histiry of ag school at the time).
Freak dont get me started, i just read a report about the 400 richest people in the u.s. And trends, etc, etc. Money makes more money. A lot more money. This world seems ti revolve around taking things to the extreme and screwing people over. I guess thats just kinda the nauture of many humans, and im hardly innocent but getting much better.
This whole thing is just sad.
-the commie/socialist, whatever some of you want to call me.
Peace out.
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This is not going to end well for anyone. Will be very interesting how the civil suits come out. I assume there are many more we have not heard about that will be coming out.
My thoughts of Paterno have changed pretty drastic. I use to believe he did have a higher standard than others, seems that was far from the case....
Interested in seeing what the program does end up getting. I know if I was looking at schools to play ball, PSU would not be one of them now.
I don't believe PSU football will dissolve,but I believe the school will give themselves what will be more or less a "death penalty".I don't think they will play this year,and possibly the year after that.As far as long range,I believe after all is said and done,it will take PSU no less than a decade to even become fairly competitive-especially in the Big Ten.I also believe that the statue of Paterno should be removed from the grounds and sold at auction with the proceeds going to the family of the victims.Finally,I hope Sandusky burns eternally for what he did to the kids,and a great school like Penn State.
I'm not sure they will go the way of SMU, but I do think the NCAA issues the death penalty for lack of institutional control.
We aren't talking about paying players (SMU) here. We aren't talking about practicing to much (scUM). We aren't talking about selling your own items for profit (OSU). We aren't even talking about a University paying for abortions (Miami).
We are talking about a University allowing and then covering up an assistant coach sexually molesting children. I'm no expert on NCAA rules, but in my humble opinion that calls for a dismanteling of a program - from the top to the bottom. From the board of directors to the janitor (who knew and did not report it).
There are some talking heads saying that Penn St did not break any NCAA rules. I guess we will see. If this turns out to be the case, the NCAA needs to take a long hard look at itself.
You are right though, the world revolves around money. I guess we will see if Penn St generates (they haven't done anything the last few years) enough to warrent a lesser penalty.
If a business, If a program, If a school becomes so big that they think they can cover (ignore) up the atrocities that occured here - they have to be dismantled. They have to...
I don't think they should remove Joe Paterno's statue - I think they should close the entire ****ing school down.
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I don't think they should remove Joe Paterno's statue - I think they should close the entire ****ing school down.
Now that's a little harsh don't you think? I'm not a Penn state alum, fan, nor have I ever been to Happy Valley. The criminals should be punished and punished bad. Anyone involved in the coverup that can't be criminally punished should be fired and run out of town. As for punishing the town and the students that attend now, what did they do?
What purpose does the death sentence accomplish? Does it make the victims feel better? Does it not create more innocent victims? Does anyone feel that the threat of a "death penalty to a sports program" would have made JoePa turn in Sandusky? Or make any coach in the future do the right thing? If your moral compass is broke. the "death penanty for a sports program aint' goin to fix it in my opinion.
I guess the "death penalty" would make us feel better that we could see someone being punished for the sins of JoePa and Sandusky but tell me why the everyday person making some income due to living near Penn State should suffer anymore is beyond me.
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If a business, If a program, If a school becomes so big that they think they can cover (ignore) up the atrocities that occured here - they have to be dismantled. They have to...
I can see you are in favor of dismantleing the Catholic church in America...SAD
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Perhaps "close" was not the appropriate word. "Tear down" would have been a better choice of words.
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As for punishing the town and the students that attend now, what did they do?
The students, faculty and town is what made the aura around the program. Whether the students, facuty or town knew it they certainly encouraged this behavior to continue by blindly supporting a slime ball.
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Does anyone feel that the threat of a "death penalty to a sports program" would have made JoePa turn in Sandusky?
Absolutely. Joe Paterno lived Penn St football. If there was a serious threat of loosing the program I believe he would have stepped up and done more. As it was he truly believed he was untouchable. Remember he did not even have the courtesy to resign. If the NCAA sets a precedent here that no one person or program is untouchable other coaches will take notice.
Would Joe Paterno be alive or dead right now had he not been fired?
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I can see you are in favor of dismantleing the Catholic church in America...SAD
As a Catholic, I support the removal of any member of the Church who would commit such heinous acts. And yes, if the corruption was deep enough I would fully support the closing of individual churches.
At the very least Penn St should completely demolish the buildings in which these acts took place....and rebuild from there.
Lets be honest, if the NCAA issues the "death penalty" it will not be the death of Penn St football. The depending on how many years the NCAA suspends the program would determine how long it took the program to rebuild. For example, I have no doubt Penn St would survive just fine with the penalty SMU was handed. A one year suspension would not destroy Penn St.
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This case brings out the sanctimony in a lot of people. I think many folks enjoy puffing themselves up like Nancy Grace to express their moral outrage. Doubtless, they themselves have done a few things they pray would never be exposed to the light of day.
A lot of punishment has been meted out, and there is a lot more to come. Do yourselves a favor and put down your torches and pitchforks and go back home.
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Someone more opinionated than me? I may not fully agree with you mlarosa, but i do respect your strong opinion.
Having said that future students (particularly football players) should not be penalized for something they had no control over. Give the death sentence to anyone involved. And that does not include those creating this "aura" you speak of. Involved? Done. Everyone else? Live and let live.
P.s. Nancy grace and that station are the shizzz.
Not.
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Someone more opinionated than me? I may not fully agree with you mlarosa, but i do respect your strong opinion.
I guess crimes against children touch a nerve with me. They are the most vulnerable in our society. They depend on adults to protect them. Adults taking advantage of children is the lowest thing one can do to another human being imo.
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Having said that future students (particularly football players) should not be penalized for something they had no control over. Give the death sentence to anyone involved. And that does not include those creating this "aura" you speak of. Involved? Done. Everyone else? Live and let live.
For the most part I agree. We disagree on "future" students.
Future students are our high schoolers right now. They can simply decide to go to another school. I don't think it is that big a deal. I don't think it would break a 9th graders heart if Penn St football did not exist when he turned 18 and was about to get offered a scholarship. I'll tell you one thing, my two year old son won't be attending Penn St in 16 years...
Can you imagine what it's like to be an ex wrestler at Penn St who practiced on the mats Sandusky abused boys on? It has to be creepy.
For what it's worth Penn St has decided to renovate some of the locations the abuse took place.
I hear ya (im a teacher and cant believe some of the $&@& ive seen in the way kids are raised, etc) and feel more needs to be done than i originally felt. Much more. However, i just dont feel shutting down the fb program (for any amount of time) is the answer. Shut it down (even for just a year) and you are penalizing current players. I havent followed this super closely, but i dont think current players were aware of the situation.
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However, i just dont feel shutting down the fb program (for any amount of time) is the answer. Shut it down (even for just a year) and you are penalizing current players. I havent followed this super closely, but i dont think current players were aware of the situation.
The scandal broke about mid way through last years season. The players could have transfered if they wanted to.
Instead, it is still a joke to some.
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"A couple guys will joke around about it, but, you know, we'll be grown men about it," he said. "We don't want to act like little kids and be immature so we'll tell them, `Come on, just shut up and go get in the shower."'
Educators- especially Pre-college educators, need to be paid a much higher salary IMO. That way the nations brightest and best would compete to fill these positions. As it stands now, the education of our children are in the hands of WHOEVER they can find at 25-40k a year. It's no wonder to me why the system is failing miserably. Especially in todays world of broken family's and no real positive influence in the homes of so many of today's youth. We need brilliant role models in the classrooms that can actually mentor and lift kids up. Millions of kids out there are desperate for simply a reason to smile. There are some good ones out there, but I've met teachers that have no business whatsoever interacting with children.
We live in a society that pays millions of dollars to a guy who can catch a football, and peanuts to the people in charge of the future of our children.
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For some its a PITA to transfer(maybe they are in a specialized program that only that school offers, chose it for that reason, love their profs, etc). Some players might even be there to get....an EDUCATION. Like the krenzel type. Heck rolle went to miami. Or be involved in a serious relationship, etc. There are lots of reasons.
I could easily come up with a scenario about your kid being in college(getting a great eduction, involved in some specialized research, coop that will lead to great job, etc, etv, etc), some crazier scandal than this busts out. And now you just transfer. Easier said than done.
As far as teachers, thinkin about my last school year (212 school days and 3 weeks preservice, i was making $12/ hr(bs, ms engineering, ms eduction, excellent grades, references, jobs, did things like work on fill and drain valve that sent liquid oxygen to space shuttle main egine, yada yada yada)broke up no less than 10 fist to tge face fights, had cops swarm in throw kid against wall, cufg, find loaded glock 9, etc) and the evil evil evil parent corporation (that made us sign a paper a month before the year ended saying we cant say anything negative or they will sue us, they also owe me $1500, take 19.5% off the top to manage these charters from corporate, most "big wigs" are corrupt(if you google the name it is all negative) in lawsuits with former school dstricts, charge up $600 dinners, have little/no background in eduction, blah blah blah. Heck for 3 days i was recruiying students at wal mart abd community centers.
Now im pissed. Tgey dont give a rats tail end about these kids (im talking parent corporation, not those at school itself, they were fine). That 19.5% they swoop off is the difference. I had books for 60% of the kids which made giving hw hard and you get one ream of paper at the beginning of the year (class 30 kids) then you buy it.
Now im really pissed thinking about the money thise greedy bastards in cirporate still owe me!!! I need to hire a lawyer to get it and it is cut and dry they owe me it. Wtf!??
Right now ohio has too many teachers, not enough jobs. But i am going from one of the worst schools (dont get me wrong, i enjoyed working with these kids very much, got special training for inner city schools and i love helping those in need/ rooting for the underdog, etc) my beef is with the greedy corporate $&@$s but. This year i will be at one of the best schools in central ohio, i cant cant tell you how stoked im. Right now i relearning ee. The lab manual we are using is used at harvard.
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The Freeh Report and Penn State
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